Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

nikosteph

New member
Hey everyone, so I'm looking to get a new guitar, and I'm willing to spend a little money to get a really nice axe. After my previous experiences with various brands, I think I've narrowed down what I'm looking for, and would love some suggestions!

In short: I want a good hard-tail guitar that excels at hard rock and metal, with the capability to do classic rock and blues (if possible). In the past I've owned many different guitars (American Std Strat, Les Paul Studio, PRS SE 24, Westbury Std, Ibanez RG550), but none of them has quite nailed *that* elusive tone in my head. My experience with the Ibanez convinced me that I DON'T want a Floyd Rose-equipped guitar (I never use it, and it's a hassle to change strings, etc.). I really loved the thick growl and tone of the LP, but it was TOO thick (though throwing a Custom in there did help a lot...) and the neck was too fat. So, I'm looking for something faster-playing/shreddy and a little more cutting, but still with that powerful sound.

From listening to many, many clips online (yeah, I know...) it seems that most traditional Superstrat guitars are too thin-sounding for my taste (e.g. the double cutaway Charvel, Jackson, Ibanez guitars, or HSS configs from Fender or Suhr, etc.). Not sure sure if this is the woods used, or the necks, but there's something lacking there, though of course that could be just the particular setup used in the videos.

In general, the guitars that seem promising tend to lean towards mahogany bodies with a maple top (though not all do), so perhaps that's a good indication of the tone woods that sound good to me. My budget is around $2,000, so I'm willing to spend a decent amount if the axe is right, I really want to invest in some quality equipment. Some guitars that seem quite promising are the following:

- ESP E-II Horizon series (what formerly was called the NT-II line)
- ESP E-II Eclipse series
- ESP E-II Mystique
- Jackson Randy Rhoads (e.g. the RRT-5)
- Schecter C-1
- Schecter Blackjack SLS
- Ibanez Artist series
- Music Man Axis
- Music Man Reflex
- Carvin CT6
- Hamer sunburst

Any thoughts/suggestions? I don't mind replacing the stock pickups (probably with a set of Duncans, maybe the Jazz/Custom8 or something similar), so the stock ones aren't an issue, though they do have to be passive (I don't want to deal with replacing EMG's).

Also, I absolutely love the sound of a distorted neck single-coil for bluesier tones, so a guitar (and pickup rec) that splits well is a huge plus. It doesn't have to come stock with coil taps, I don't mind putting in push-pull pots.

To give you an idea of the ballpark of the tone I'm looking for, check out the video below. This guitar happens to be a Music Man Reflex with a Custom 5 in the bridge. Most videos of the Reflex don't quite do it for me, so it's strange I like this one, but perhaps the Custom 5 is responsible (since most MM guitars come with Dimarzio pups, right?)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsAjeV2vqUM

Thanks for your suggestions everyone, always great ideas here on the Forums!
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

If you don't mind signature gear the Jackson Mark Morton Dominions are pretty sweet. don't forget that with the ESP models they might have actives or passives in the same model depending on the color of the finish, eg black Eclipse has EMGs and the sunburst has Duncans. Also check out the Ibanez 5521Q, its an S Prestige series with a hard tail bridge
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Cool, I'll check out the Mark Morton Dominion and the Ibanez 5521Q; that latter one is an especially gorgeous guitar, I love the slightly rounded top! And yeah, I'm only interested in the ESP models with the actives, there seem to be a few for each model that are hard-tail and feature the Duncans. It's a little annoying that they come in so few colors (each model comes in only 1 or 2 at most...), since some of the EMG ones have sweet finishes that aren't available on the guitars with passives!
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

If you're looking for emgs, and you like esp, look at some Eclipse models, or the ec-1000, I've got the 1000 and I love it, but the Eclipse is a model right above those I believe. Great guitars for what you are wanting
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not a big fan of the EMG's, but it seems like many of the Eclipse models come with passives too, and they do sound amazing!
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

I just was looking at the E-II Eclipses and even the EMG ones are different depending on color, the transblack has the 57/66 set and the black cherry one has the 60/81 set, I wonder if they can make it a little more confusing.
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Yeah, good call. How similar is it to the Music Man guitars? For some reason all those guitars sound a little too "raspy" (if that's the right term), but I think it may be the pickups. Would replacing them with Duncans make a big enough difference? I love their aesthetic, and they definitely seem to be both thick and shreddy...
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

I prefer the EVH because of their flatter neck radius.
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

?Flying V??

Has a more cutting tone than a LP, and there are a few options even from Gibson. I remember picking up and strumming a Faded V and thought it was a great guitar.
 
Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

I suggest paying a lot more attention to amps and effects than the finer details of the guitar. A good amp will have it's same basic character regardless of the guitar being used. It makes a far bigger difference in tone than whatever difference you might imagine there is between a mahogany slab, a maple-capped mahogany slab, a piece of alder, ash, basswood, etc. The coolest, most theoretically perfect guitar in the world still won't give you the tone you want if your amp isn't already shouldering 90% of the burden of providing "your tone."
 
Last edited:
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Thanks for the suggestions! I will definitely look into a Flying V, those guitars look super badass...

Also, I plan to invest in a good amp as well, I'm looking into the Engl Ironball or maybe the Mesa Boogie Mini Rectifier. I don't need a massive head or stack at the moment, so I'm looking for smaller high-gain amps that still sound amazing. Any more suggestions are welcome!
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

If you like the skinny Ibanez neck
They make em in hardtail

My RG2EX1 is
The RG3MH something is mahogany body hardtail

With a nice thick bridge

Telecasters make good rockers


*(Sent from my durned phone!)*
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Oh cool, thanks! I did love the RG neck, though I was still so-so on the overall tone (not quite thick enough for me), but that was one of the basswood (I think...) RG's. The mahogany one sounds intriguing, I'll have to check it out...
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Oh cool, thanks! I did love the RG neck, though I was still so-so on the overall tone (not quite thick enough for me), but that was one of the basswood (I think...) RG's. The mahogany one sounds intriguing, I'll have to check it out...

Then you definitely want an RG321MH. The older ones had a smaller Strat-style hardtail bridge, the newer ones have the thick/tall Gibraltar hardtail. Make sure you play both to see if you prefer one over the other. I hated the Gibraltar bridge.

You can always swap pickups to thicken up the tone too. The RG321MHE had EMG HZs in it, you could swap the H4A in the neck for the H4 in the bridge and it would sound nice and heavy.
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Yea 321 that's the part I couldn't remember

And what he said about the bridge

Mine is basswood with the strat style bridge

I put a JB/Jazz set in mine with triple shot rings

Way too many options
But hands down my favorite guitar

*(Sent from my durned phone!)*
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Flying V and Explorer models come to mind. With some patience, you might find a nice used Les Paul too within that budget.
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Sounds like you should check out an Ibanez Iceman
 
Re: Hard-tail guitar for hard rock/metal?

Then you definitely want an RG321MH. The older ones had a smaller Strat-style hardtail bridge, the newer ones have the thick/tall Gibraltar hardtail. Make sure you play both to see if you prefer one over the other. I hated the Gibraltar bridge.

You can always swap pickups to thicken up the tone too. The RG321MHE had EMG HZs in it, you could swap the H4A in the neck for the H4 in the bridge and it would sound nice and heavy.

Something like this? But with a RCA4SH-6n and TB-15, both in Triple Shots. 100_5116.jpg
Sadly for the rest, it's not, atm, for sale.
 
Back
Top