Has Bill Finnegan stopped making Klons again?

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Little Pigbacon said:
The audience is lucky if they get a half-decent mix that isn’t loud enough to give them colon cancer. Looking to them to justify a tone quest purchase is comically misguided.
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+1. Roger Mayer said that with a band on stage, the audience can only hear 3 guitar sounds. Not much of an exaggeration when you think of the acoustics and so-so mix of volumes and EQ's. A lot of local bands have problems with this. When I'm in the audience, I've gone up to them on break and said: "You've got 5 guys on stage and we can only hear 3 of them, and the bass is way too loud". We're obsessing about tone subtleties and some bands can't even get their volume levels anywhere close to each other.
 
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Chistopher said:
And this is why no one here makes a killing as musicians here.
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No the point is in many gig situations you're completely at the mercy of the house supplied sound man. You're lucky if you're even audible in the FOH mix let alone letting the audience bask in the tonal bliss of your Custom Shop guitar through a $2000 original Klon into a Dumble. Last gig I played we were doing sound check and I walked out to the sound booth with my wireless to take a listen. The sound guy said, "sounds good, hey?". I told him my guitar was completely missing from the mix. It took him 10 minutes to run down the problem of why my channel on his board wasn't working. Had I not said anything my guitar would have been absent the entire show and I would have been none the wiser up on stage.

I have been playing a long time and the good sound men who actually give a damn are pretty rare.

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I dunno about anyone else but I obsess over the minutiae of my tone because I can hear it.

Not because I expect the audience to hear it.

I get turned on and play better when it feels right to me.

To say that the audience can’t hear the difference betrays a lack of passion for, and commitment to, your art, IMO.
 
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Lewguitar said:
I dunno about anyone else but I obsess over the minutiae of my tone because I can hear it.

Not because I expect the audience to hear it.

I get turned on and play better when it feels right to me.

To say that the audience can’t hear the difference betrays a lack of passion for, and commitment to, your art, IMO.
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I don't think anyone literally means to say it doesn't matter at all. I think we as gear obsessed nerds need to check our expectations every once in a while. We watch YouTube videos and obsess over the subtle differences between an original Klon vs a Tumnus vs a Soul Food but at the end of the day in the hands of a good player it's not going to make a lick of difference to what the audience hears.

Heck a lot of the time it makes no difference to what I hear on stage. I've dealt with so many situations where the stage sound is so awful I can barely make out what I'm playing.

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Lewguitar said:
I dunno about anyone else but I obsess over the minutiae of my tone because I can hear it.

Not because I expect the audience to hear it.

I get turned on and play better when it feels right to me.

To say that the audience can’t hear the difference betrays a lack of passion for, and commitment to, your art, IMO.
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I am the same way. It is more selfish than anything. I have to feel like I can make my fingers do what my brain tells them. If my sound is off, it breaks that connection. It isn't my concern who else can hear it. A virtuoso violinist doesn't practice for the audience- they work on the tiny details of a score for themselves.
 
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Not sure what stages you guys are playing on where you can hear yourselves and the rest of the band in perfect clarity. Unless I suppose you're one of those guitarists who doesn't care what anyone else can hear and makes sure they're the loudest on the stage. I've seen, heard, and played with lots of those players before.

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We play very low volume on stage, (and also use IEMs) so we do hear with really good clarity. I don't like to be out of balance with the rest of the band, though.
 
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Mincer said:
We play very low volume on stage, (and also use IEMs) so we do hear with really good clarity. I don't like to be out of balance with the rest of the band, though.
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Yeah. I play louder at home than I get to play onstage these days.

Mostly blues jams and church gigs.
 
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Powdered Toast Man said:
Not sure what stages you guys are playing on where you can hear yourselves and the rest of the band in perfect clarity. Unless I suppose you're one of those guitarists who doesn't care what anyone else can hear and makes sure they're the loudest on the stage. I've seen, heard, and played with lots of those players before.

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a lot of it is not fighting over frequencies, i try and make sure the guitars and bass arent trying to compete for the same frequencies as much as i can, multiple monitor mixes really helps. even with my pa i can run four monitor mixes and hopefully good music venues have better stuff! bars gigs... well, im happy in there are two monitors that work
 
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Wow! Glad I got mine when they were still under $300.

Saw my first $600 Klon KTR yesterday on Reverb.
 
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Crazy. I saw one for $225 about 2 months ago. Should've picked one up.

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$600 bucks for a KTR ...

What was that quote attributed to P.T. Barnum? ...
 
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Personally, I think it's a sin to buy something that costs oodles more used than it did new, unless it's a 54 goldtop.
 
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so if i spend too much on a pedal, ill go to hell?
 
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thats what i get for not reading all the the new testament
 
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If I had a dollar every time a new type of klon was made I could afford an original one...
 
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There are a lot of "klones", no doubt. But I still think you'd be about $1500 shy for an original even if you had a dollar for every "klone" ...
 
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