Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Ok, I came up with this lick that I love, its fast, every note has got to be picked, I hear it in my head how its gotta sound, and when I try to nail that tempo it falls apart, you guys encounter this often ???
Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
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Stratovarious
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Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
yeah but this is usually when my hands are FREEZING or in the morning, try warming up your hands, I also have lick I really love that is really shreddy and fast
yeah but this is usually when my hands are FREEZING or in the morning, try warming up your hands, I also have lick I really love that is really shreddy and fast
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
Dude, my problem is much worse. I've trying to nail this bastard for over a month ... what pisses me off its not that complex of a fingering ....
Dude, my problem is much worse. I've trying to nail this bastard for over a month ... what pisses me off its not that complex of a fingering ....
StrangeSound
GlossesForNothin'
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
Some of my stuff I can't play properly. I know what you mean..it's infuriating. :blackeye: The ideas are there and I would need another guitarist who could play that for me well :fingersx:
Some of my stuff I can't play properly. I know what you mean..it's infuriating. :blackeye: The ideas are there and I would need another guitarist who could play that for me well :fingersx:
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
After I did a little studio work with my last band, I adopted the producer's method of not playing solos on recordings to some set pattern that is the same every time. He took it even further, and liked to splice parts of several trial runs together to make a Super Solo. It works great.
The problem is, when you record like that, you can rarely achieve the same feel again down the road. On almost all my recent recordings, I don't know what the hell I'm playing. If I try to re-enact them, I get close, but sometimes I can't even figure it out. If I ever went into a real studio to re-record some songs, the solos wouldn't be the same at all. I guess they might end up better, but I wouldn't be able to nail what I had done in the past. For solos that are basically running through scales, it's not a problem, but if you play from the heart, and like all the scratchy pick rakes, flubbed notes, and feedback like I do, then you're scrooood!
After I did a little studio work with my last band, I adopted the producer's method of not playing solos on recordings to some set pattern that is the same every time. He took it even further, and liked to splice parts of several trial runs together to make a Super Solo. It works great.
The problem is, when you record like that, you can rarely achieve the same feel again down the road. On almost all my recent recordings, I don't know what the hell I'm playing. If I try to re-enact them, I get close, but sometimes I can't even figure it out. If I ever went into a real studio to re-record some songs, the solos wouldn't be the same at all. I guess they might end up better, but I wouldn't be able to nail what I had done in the past. For solos that are basically running through scales, it's not a problem, but if you play from the heart, and like all the scratchy pick rakes, flubbed notes, and feedback like I do, then you're scrooood!
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
well thats why IMO solos should be improvised alll the time and you shoudl never play the same solo twice (thats what makes a solo a solo and nto a lead line).
although alot of my favorite bands do play the same solos live as on the recording. and it is very impressive if you see a band cover some crazy song with a really hard solo and buddy nails it.
hey! thats cheating!!
well thats why IMO solos should be improvised alll the time and you shoudl never play the same solo twice (thats what makes a solo a solo and nto a lead line).
although alot of my favorite bands do play the same solos live as on the recording. and it is very impressive if you see a band cover some crazy song with a really hard solo and buddy nails it.
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
that's what I said, and he was like "dude, almost every major-label heavy metal CD you listen to has spliced together stuff like that, and in the end it's what sounds best." for that particular project, I didn't have an ethical problem with it - we were already using a click track, we all played our parts separately, and pro tools basically was like a 5th band member. But on my stuff at home I just can't bring myself to hack up different takes. I do feel as though I'm cheating.
that's what I said, and he was like "dude, almost every major-label heavy metal CD you listen to has spliced together stuff like that, and in the end it's what sounds best." for that particular project, I didn't have an ethical problem with it - we were already using a click track, we all played our parts separately, and pro tools basically was like a 5th band member. But on my stuff at home I just can't bring myself to hack up different takes. I do feel as though I'm cheating.
devastone
Well-known member
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
He's right, especially from the "over the top 80's solos" days, it still gets done all the time (if there is actually a solo on the disc). It's also not un-ethical, it's part of the creation process of committing it to tape (or hard disk, cd, whatever). Live is a different story, but then you usually put in more feeling from that moment.
What's wrong with a click track?
You could possibly make the arguement that an artist that works in oils would never cut up multiple paintings and stick them together to make one, but they most likely did paint over some parts to get to where they are.
He's right, especially from the "over the top 80's solos" days, it still gets done all the time (if there is actually a solo on the disc). It's also not un-ethical, it's part of the creation process of committing it to tape (or hard disk, cd, whatever). Live is a different story, but then you usually put in more feeling from that moment.
What's wrong with a click track?
You could possibly make the arguement that an artist that works in oils would never cut up multiple paintings and stick them together to make one, but they most likely did paint over some parts to get to where they are.
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Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
Well, the thing is the lick itself is a lot like picking exercise. Its a sequense of to frases second begining with the second to last note of the first frase.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
Well, a lot of guys have that problem, GL has a during Mr.Scary on BFTA album version, he could not figure out for years but one day it just got back to him. This case with me is that as I pick the tempo to what it supposed to be, to what I hear in my head, it just falls apart, I am not nailing at all.
Well, a lot of guys have that problem, GL has a during Mr.Scary on BFTA album version, he could not figure out for years but one day it just got back to him. This case with me is that as I pick the tempo to what it supposed to be, to what I hear in my head, it just falls apart, I am not nailing at all.
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
Re: Have often you can't shred your own shred ?
in my book, it's another way that the human aspect gets sucked out of a tune. I don't think all songs should fall into set tempos, where the entire chorus is exactly 133 bpm, but rather hovers around that tempo, depending on the feel of the tune, the drummer, the energy of the band. and when bands use them live....I mean, why not just put on a CD?
but of course there's a ton of advantages to playing to a click.
in my book, it's another way that the human aspect gets sucked out of a tune. I don't think all songs should fall into set tempos, where the entire chorus is exactly 133 bpm, but rather hovers around that tempo, depending on the feel of the tune, the drummer, the energy of the band. and when bands use them live....I mean, why not just put on a CD?
but of course there's a ton of advantages to playing to a click.
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