Haven 4 coil pups

[zionstrat]

Not sure if anyone is covered these in the past however I found this video incredibly interesting..

https://youtu.be/lwE58GmGnU0

It looks like a two blade humbucker. however each blade is actually two coils.. in the demo they seemed ridiculously clear and tight..

Wonder if anybody has tried these especially for Rock?

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Cool idea. Hadn't seen those before.

 

[zionstrat]

I think they're pretty new. They have a weird wiring option.. to turn off the treble string coils so you can chug on the bottom strings.. think I'd be embarrassed to turn that one on

 

[Artie]

I think they're pretty new. They have a weird wiring option.. to turn off the treble string coils so you can chug on the bottom strings.. think I'd be embarrassed to turn that one on

That would actually fit in fine with a wiring idea I had. When playing the neck, "borrow" a little highs from the bridge, and when playing the bridge, borrow some lows from the neck. I tried it with a Vintage Rails, but it didn't work because the VR coil still spans all six strings.

These new pups are an interesting idea.

 

[beaubrummels]

In the first comparison, I didn't hear a difference between the stock and Haven in any position. If it were significantly different, I'd continue to check it out. But I tapped out for now.

 

[zionstrat]

That's funny, the guy that was demoing them said the same thing although I thought I had heard the bridge as tighter with more sparkle.. of course I could be hearing that because I expected to be hearing that

Artie, I love your way of thinking.. In a similar direction, I have always wanted to do a two-slug wind in the bridge position two in the mid position and two in the neck position with the first picking up Eand A the second the d and the g in the last the b&e.

From everything I've researched, it flat out wouldn't work but it's the idea of mixing brighter base strings with mellower treble strings.

 

[zionstrat]

Also, trying to figure out what is going on internally. The guy who made the video said that they are taller than regular humbuckers so I'm wondering if they are thinner taller coils..

But how would splitting a single coil into two coils next to each other impact the timber?

 

[TinPan]

Quite nice but What I find more interesting is the guitar with the f'holes behind him, what guitar is that? Cant see the headstock

 

[Rex_Rocker]

LOL @ chugging on the neck pickup.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Artie, I love your way of thinking.. In a similar direction, I have always wanted to do a two-slug wind in the bridge position two in the mid position and two in the neck position with the first picking up Eand A the second the d and the g in the last the b&e.

From everything I've researched, it flat out wouldn't work but it's the idea of mixing brighter base strings with mellower treble strings.

I have an odd pickup the Lace made briefly ten years ago, the Tres Hombre.
Its bobbin has three separate oblong slugs - each covering a pair of strings - with one coil around all of them.
The nifty idea is that each rail was made of a different alloy to optimize its response for the strings it's under.

Same concept has been taken a step further in Zexcoil pickups I think: tuning a coil's response via slug alloys.

Tres Hombre is cool, unusual looking, and good sounding, but not radically superior despite its innovative design.
I think one reason it never caught on is that it had square corners and wouldn't fit in a standard singlecoil cutout.
But I give props to Lace for trying it.

Also, trying to figure out what is going on internally. The guy who made the video said that they are taller than regular humbuckers so I'm wondering if they are thinner taller coils..

But how would splitting a single coil into two coils next to each other impact the timber?

Seems one cool possibility would be splitting to the rail nearest the bridge for the low strings and the one nearer the neck for the high strings.
A little extra bite in the lows and a little extra warmth in the highs.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Also, trying to figure out what is going on internally. The guy who made the video said that they are taller than regular humbuckers so I'm wondering if they are thinner taller coils..

There's actually a shot of an uncovered one near the very beginning of the vid, 28 seconds in.
Tall coils and what look to be 4 double thick magnets underneath.

 

[freefrog]

But how would splitting a single coil into two coils next to each other impact the timber?

I think that IF (and only if) the side by side coils are noise cancelling, it would affect mostly the level when the two center strings are bent and pulled each over the other coil... We've already discussed here about side by side coils with opposite winding directions + magnetic fields, for their annoying tendency to create a dead spot between G and D strings because of phase cancellation... It's not an issue with bridge PU's but bending the G string above the neck pickup will mute the sound. That's why Fralin Split Blades have "overlaping" coils (just like each pole of a Zexcoil systematically lays under two strings).

If two coils side by side have the same polariy, they should remain noisy, of course.

In both cases, I'd bet for a bit more inductance frow two mini SC's side by side than from one single big coil wound with the same wire on a bobbin of the same height and width...

i'm not sure that I would dig this recipe from Haven pickups anyway: using two of the four coils should either be noisy, either an open door for the dead spot issue. Three coils would be noisy too and might sound uneven from bass to treble strings, volume wise. Four coils would just form a regular rails humbucker... but maybe there's an advantage in this idea that I've not seen, of course (if the four mags and/or rails are of different alloys, for instance).

Final rambling for the record - Pickups with multiple coils are not exactly new: 40 years ago (way before Zexcoils), a French boutique winder named MC2 was selling a "PLO" single coil shaped pickup hosting six coils. In my collection, I've also a "Rainbow" pickup based on this principle and from the same era - wound in NY by Armstrong and meant to have belonged to Steve Howe, if memory serves me... but if it's the case, Howe got rid of it, exaclty like Hadley Hockensmith stopped to use 4 coils HB's n his LP, mounting instead a set of... regular GFS humbuckers.
[Last sentences to take with a grain of salt since they translate old memories from an old brain. ]

FWIW. I wish you all a nice day.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Also, trying to figure out what is going on internally.

It would make sense it they're intended for "diagonal" splitting rather than splitting to reverse polarity end-to-end coils.
As freefrog mentioned, I don't see how that would help with center bend dropouts, but it might.

 

[freefrog]

It would make sense it they're intended for "diagonal" splitting rather than splitting to reverse polarity end-to-end coils.
As freefrog mentioned, I don't see how that would help with center bend dropouts, but it might.

Agreed! Spot-on answer IMHO .

Intellectual honesty wants me to precise that center bend dropouts are mainly an issue with directly adjacent coils hosting rod magnets. With diagonal splitting, a bent G or D string doesn't go so frontally from a magnetic field to the opposite magnetic field... so, if the coils & their inner rails are shaped to favor a smooth transition with some magnetic overlapping, bend dropouts can be avoided.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Agreed! Spot-on answer IMHO .

Intellectual honesty wants me to precise that center bend dropouts are mainly an issue with directly adjacent coils hosting rod magnets. With diagonal splitting, a bent G or D string doesn't go so frontally from a magnetic field to the opposite magnetic field... so, if the coils & their inner rails are shaped to favor a smooth transition with some magnetic overlapping, bend dropouts can be avoided.

It hadn't occurred to me but that might make a pretty significant difference in this instance.
Not only is the field more diffuse than with rod mags, but the rails here are spaced relatively widely.
So the sensing (and the focus of the opposite-polarity field) would be at a different spot along the string.