Having fun with out of phase 2nd position- anyone else?

[zionstrat]

I built a really off the beaten path L5S based guitar this spring- it has 3 pickups and 2 super switches and 25 or so really awesome combinations.

One of the '2ndary' positions is out of phase in the 2nd position and I rarely expected to use it- I never use unmodified out of phase clean and usually save it for nasal crunch tones (Cars, Cheap Trick etc).

However, in this build, it's getting a lot of use! It's a monster mahogany body, so it's very fat and full of sustain (imagine a really big/heavy les paul jr) and I've found that the out of phase works wonderful to thin out for 60s rhytem (Gimee shelter is a good example) or more modern stratish parts (Lost you in the Canyon- Marc Cohen).

Quite surprised and wonder if any of you have recent out of phase experience? (Not talking about Series out of Phase or Half out of Phase- very different sounds)

 

[VinceT]

Re: Having fun with out of phase 2nd position- anyone else?

Are you talking neck and bridge in parallel out of phase (classic Peter Green)? Or is the middle pickup involved?


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[zionstrat]

Re: Having fun with out of phase 2nd position- anyone else?

In this case, it's the middle pup with the bridge, but still fairly close to the Green sound.

The pups are thick and it's a warm body- if it was a strat it would be hyper nasal.

But it's close enough and I guess I'm interested in any recent out of phase experience from any combination of pups.

 

[zionstrat]

Re: Having fun with out of phase 2nd position- anyone else?

Bump... Maybe I'm the only one loving this sound?

The series out of phase on less powerful pups is actually closer than I imagined to the pure out of phase on this guitar (using medium high crunch) so maybe I'm just loving the pups again.

Or maybe it's just a change of pace. And I still don't like it out of the mix- But it really cuts trough without being overkill- nice to use with call and response when I need to be careful not to overpower vocals.

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[Mincer]

Re: Having fun with out of phase 2nd position- anyone else?

Wow, that is one cool instrument! I would probably have trouble remembering all the combinations, but I but I would like trying. My Strat has a stock setting where the bridge and middle are in series, and it is an interesting sound I find myself using more. I used to hate it. While I generally don't like out of phase tones, it is interesting to me how our tastes change over time.

 

[zionstrat]

Re: Having fun with out of phase 2nd position- anyone else?

Thanks Mincer-
It's actually easier to get around than you might imagine- The inner 5 way is normal strat positions- it's the outer 5 way that dials in all of the funky stuff and I can just leave it on overwound or underwound if I get into trouble

I'm just starting to play out with it and finding combinations that I just never imagined by messing with the outer switch-

And yep, I guess old dogs can learn- I would never have imagined that out of phase would be so useful.