Helllo to all..!! And also i need help here...

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Hello people! Before I write down anything else I have to say that I’m reading threads for about a week now and I’m very exited with this forum! I really like the way that some off you explain your opinions. Ok let’s get down to business!
My guitars :
Ibanez Rg – 550 ltd 1995 – 1996 model I think. Sd distortion at the bridge & the 59er at the neck position. Basswood body bolt on with maple neck with the lo pro edge trem.

Esp Viper Set-thru Neck, Mahogany Body and Neck, Ebony fretboard emg 81&85 Pickups. Tailpiece bridge.
Ibanez Rg 3620z prestige with Dimarzio air norton neck and tone zone bridge pickups and the super wizard prestige neck. It has a mahogany body with flamed maple top and the Edge Zero tremolo.
Jackson DK-6-C Christian olde wolbers model. Archtop mahogany body, bolt-on mahogany neck, ebony fretboard, EMG 81 pickup, adjustable bridge, strings-thru-body.

Ibanez Rgt 6ex mahogany body, maple/walnut thru neck, rosewood fretboard, emg 85 + 81 and the Edge III tremolo

Esp m2 with adler bolt on body, maple neck with a rosewood fretboard with the Patb1 at the bridge and the 59er at the neck position. Also a Floyd Rose.

And this is my new guitar :
Esp M-2 Neck Thru alder body, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard, emg 81 humbucker pick-ups and a Floyd Rose trem.

I also have the Engl screamer 50 amp head through a Harley Benton cab. For home recording I use the Line 6 ux2. For rehearsal I use the line 6 floor pod through random heads and cabs.

The guitar that feels the best to me is my new Esp. Everything is great with her but I have the need to change the pickups. As you can see above i have some experience with emg’s with differend woods and constructions. And I can surely say that I’m not very pleased with them. Ok they are pretty loud as we all know, and they attack with a lot of hatred towards the amp but they make almost all of my guitars sound kind off the same. I was a fan but no more! I need something with more warmness and versatility. Something to really sound differend when I change the eq or effects/gain settings. More organic and less cold/sterile. I play 90% metal alone or with my band so you can all guess what I’m after in general. I need a bridge pickup to give me the eq and the right amount of distortion that I need to play solid palm muted chord changes or to have enough presence for the open one’s lets say Nevermore/Morbid Angel/Strapping young lad. But also a lot of clarity for technical speed riff’s like Lamb of god/At the gates/Grip inc.
I have also 2 guitars with SD pickups as you can see above. But the Esp m2 sounds very 80's Hard n Heavy and the Ibanez with the Dd sound a lot more tremble and bright than what i actualy need.
What's your opinion?
Remember i want to change from active to passive.
Thanx for your time allready for reading but i thought that it was needed to explain all that!

PS Sorry for any mistakes!
 
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Also my tuning is D, and i use Dr ddt 10 - 46 Medium strings. Hey 30 ppl read this and no one wrote anything? Smels bad or something?
 
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A Custom in the bridge would probably do what you need.
 
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Thanx Kam! You mean the Tb -5 right ?

I do indeed. I've no idea what the string-spacing is like on a Vyper so I don't know if you'll need the TB or SH variant; regular spaced or the wider tem-spaced.

I had the Custom in the bridge of an SG which is quite similar in build and wood type to the Vyper. I'm not much into high output pups and I don't play much metal so some of the other guys might have better recommendations for you but from my experience it's a great bridge pup. It'll handle plenty of gain and stay tight and clear. I wasn't a huge fan of the treble...it can get a little thin and cold for leads but it's responsive to your amps EQ and your volume and tone controls so it can be improved.

The best thing about the Custom is that it's very versatile in how it's wound so if you don't like it you can change its character entirely by swapping the magnet. My personal favourite pup is a Custom with an A8 magnet. It's absolutely perfect in the bridge of my SG.

As for neck pups...I can't really help. The only neck 'bucker I've used recently is the '59n (which is awesome) but may not be the best choice for you.
 
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I see. It sounds very close to what im looking for, but keep in mind that i need the new pickups for this guitar :

Esp M-2 Neck Thru alder body, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard, emg 81 humbucker pick-ups and a Floyd Rose trem.

So its alder all the way and not mahogany, i suppose that your Sg was mahogany right?
 
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Ah ****, I read your post wrong. Sorry, dude, my brain farted out on me. A Custom could still be what you're looking for. I have a Custom 8 in an Alder bodied Strat copy with a rosewood board and it's as thick, clear and meaty as you could want.

Other than that, you might want to check out something from the PATB line. Beefing up floyded guitars is what they're designed for.
 
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The only experiance i have is from the patb-1 at my first esp m2. I like the sound a lot very clear and with personality. But maybe its not the right one because i need more output. Have you ever heard the patb 2?
 
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I just come home from a 4 hour rehearshal with the band, and i have an interesting thing to share. I thought to check my old esp m2 : Esp m2 with adler bolt on body, maple neck with a rosewood fretboard with the Patb1 at the bridge and the 59er at the neck position. Also a Floyd Rose. So to hear that pickup again since the 2 esp's have alder. My new is neck thru. For the music that i play the Patb 1 it's kinda low output. Very interesting pickup but i thing is for that hard n heavy stuff 1988 - 1995. At least for my ears. Singing but not so present. So maybe the Patb -2 might be the one? The only thing that makes me wanna know more is that because of the high output is there a chance to be more muddy and less acurate/clear for my needs?
 
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I was also going to say Custom with A8 for the bridge. Possibly a Duncan Distortion for the neck.
 
Re: Helllo to all..!! And also i need help here...

I just come home from a 4 hour rehearshal with the band, and i have an interesting thing to share. I thought to check my old esp m2 : Esp m2 with adler bolt on body, maple neck with a rosewood fretboard with the Patb1 at the bridge and the 59er at the neck position. Also a Floyd Rose. So to hear that pickup again since the 2 esp's have alder. My new is neck thru. For the music that i play the Patb 1 it's kinda low output. Very interesting pickup but i thing is for that hard n heavy stuff 1988 - 1995. At least for my ears. Singing but not so present. So maybe the Patb -2 might be the one? The only thing that makes me wanna know more is that because of the high output is there a chance to be more muddy and less acurate/clear for my needs?

Yeah, should be a TremBucker (or F/Fender/Floyd) spacing with almost any modern vibrato bridge.

The only time I've disliked the TB-5 Custom was in a maple neck-through (albeit with ebony fretboard) with a floating vibrato bridge. The point that it's very friendly to magnet-swapping is well taken, though. Custom 8 would keep most of the other behaviors but remove the excess treble without turning dull. An A8 magnet swap might be the fix for your too-bright Distortion, as well, but I've read it's slightly tricky due to the change in magnet thickness. Distortion with A8 is the same thing as a JB8, a forum search should turn up plenty on that. :)

The PATB-2 is like a wilder, woollier TB-6 Distortion. It takes a bit of the ceramic grit off the presence (nothing you can't get back by turning up the presence on your amp, though), but it's if anything more articulate because of the polepiece structure. If you require tightness above all else, you should probably look at something like the Full Shred. I think for articulation any of the PATB series are competitive, though.

I know you have a conventional Distortion in your RG550, but your ESP M-2 sounds likely to be a much brighter, tighter guitar. A PATB-2 ought to really complement it. The PATB-2 is stronger for riffs than the conventional Distortion, because of the boosted lower mids. Also sings better for leads, less harsh.

A bit depends on your amp, if it doesn't like having the input thrashed it may not like a really hot passive. You've been using actives, so I would be surprised if that's a problem in your setup.

I have a PATB-1 in my 20yo RG570 (rosewood fretboard) and love it, I don't have any trouble with output on it. Though it has this deceptive openness, it feels less distorted than it is. I can get a ridiculous range of tones out of it. I can see preferring a hotter pickup for all out metal, but I'm surprised you have that much trouble with the PATB-1.

I almost went with the PATB-2, but I fool around with AC/DC and Van Halen tones a fair amount, and only have the 1 guitar. For those tones, a hot ceramic pickup just doesn't sound or feel right. My next shredstick will have a PATB-2. Someday...
 
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Re: Helllo to all..!! And also i need help here...

Despair friend you are in my head! When i came home today after a very weird day at work i thought that the best choice should be the one based on my old m2. So if what i need is more power but without loosing the character of the patb1, maybe i should try the patb2 with the patb1 (neck version).
And then i read your post and it was like ...there you have it..!!
I also believe like some other people have wrote before that the patb pickups are very interesting and with a special sound character. I have personal playing experiance only with the one i wrote before but i have heard the blues saraceno patb in a friends fender and it was great!
So i thing i will go for the patb 2 (bridge) & patb 1 (neck).
At the end of the month i will have the pickups installed and i will post my opinion here.
I believe that the result will be great!!! If anyone has that pickup combination at the same guitar it will be very helpfull to write here.
Thanx for your time so far!
 
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Hm, I find the different PATB pickups to have some common qualities (great sustain, improved harmonic response, a bit of a broad upper mid boost, terrific articulation), but I think the PATB-2 is pretty different in feel from the PATB-1. It's much more an all out gonzo metal pickup, very hot & compressed. It wants to scream, where the PATB-1 bridge just wants to sing.

They're all great pickups, but the PATB-2 is more of a very overwound Distortion, while the PATB-1 is more like an overwound Custom 5 (and the PATB-3 an overwound '59).

The Parallel Axis design gives them some unexpected behaviors for the wire resistance, the tone is more like a lower output pickup, despite the higher output.

Don't get me wrong, the PATB-2 is surprisingly sweet for leads, while having a great ceramic character on rhythm parts. It's just much more aggressive than the other PATBs.
 
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I think it's the best way to describe those pickups at least for the ones that i've heard. I'll keep in mind that!
 
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