Help adjusting pole pieces

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The reason I remember is that Larry Carlton was shown with almost exactly the same shape. It was from an article that Carlton had written and he included pictures looking just like our Lt. Kojak shows


This is a screen capture of the video you saw, showing Larry Carlton's #2, set up by his tech, the legendary Rick Wheeler, which used to have a column in the early days of the Guitar Player Magazine.

The video is on the Premier Guitar magazine's site, open to the world to see.

HTH,
 
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Well, you can't argue that it doesn't work for Larry...
But, you be you. And you can gain some insight why one way might work better for you than another way.
 
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I am curious, what DOES that setup do? I have never adjusted my pole pieces that high (D) OR that low (G). And it looks like the bridge pickup is much flatter.
So...does that stagger make sense for bridge pickups for high-gain rock, or is it a jazz/neck thing?
And if one has 12 adjustable poles would one do something like that shape for both sets of screws, or only the ones that correspond to the screws on screw/slug humbuckers?
 
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Well if you look at the tensions on a standard set of 9-gauge (and many/most other sets), then it's easy to see why some strings are louder or have an increased vibration loop.
 
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I think there are a lot of variables like string gauge and material, pickup, radius and slight changes in the radius fretted in different positions vs. open. I found in a telecaster I had with a flat single coil in the bridge had more string to string balance issues than my strat had with an SM-1 mini hum in the bridge. I'm a bit lazy and just keep all my pole pieces flat these days and just raise the treble side slightly higher if I feel it's not as loud as the bass side. But definitely in my limited experience single coils benefit more with being staggered in the bridge than humbuckers in the bridge. As far as staggering in the neck position I've never worried about it because it seems like with my guitars there's less string to string imbalances in the neck position.
 
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I am curious, what DOES that setup do? I have never adjusted my pole pieces that high (D) OR that low (G).

The main goal of setting up the screws is to have an even volume between the different strings. And this is due of an inherent imbalance produced by the gauge relation between strings in a set, and the magnetic induction produced by the different core's mass of every string in a set. Even if it sounds counter-intuitive, Plain strings produce more output than wound strings.

The shape of the stagger depends on two things: the fingerboard radius and the gauge the strings.

If you compare the stagger in Larry's guitar (post #21 on this very thread), that's the resultant shape of a 12" radius with a D'Addario EXL140 set, that uses .010, 0.13, .017 plains with .030, .042 and .052 gauges.

http://daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=17

If you compare to the set stagger in my p'up (post #13 on this very thread), you'll notice similar shape but not so marked, with the exception of a taller 4th. That's due to two factors: 1st. my fingerboard has a 14" radius, and 2nd. I use a different D'Addario set than Larry, called the EXL115BT:

http://daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=384

As you can see, compared with Larry's, the 4ht string is thinner and the 3rd, 2nd and 1st are slightly thicker. Hence the slight difference in stagger, although the basic resultant shape is the same.

That's the law of physics and the law of magnetism doing the talking to both Larry's (and/or Rick Wheeler's) and my own ears, and that's what we both came up with, as we were listening.

And it looks like the bridge pickup is much flatter.
Yes, it indeed is. Again, the law of physics is doing the talking here. As the strings in that position don't mode as much, the resultant output is quite even, hence the flatter resultant stagger.

So...does that stagger make sense for bridge pickups for high-gain rock, or is it a jazz/neck thing?
Evenness of output is not something you can associate with any style of music. However, the more gain you usually use, the less the effect of the stagger becomes, also because 95% of gainy-players use the bridge p'up anyway, and therefore they even might not have the faintest idea of whet we're talking about here, and I can't say I can blame'em for.

And if one has 12 adjustable poles would one do something like that shape for both sets of screws
In the case of double-row of screws, I usually apply the stagger to both rows and then I tweak'em by ear, but most of the time it's the same stagger for both coils, withing a 1/4 turn of the screw. Bigger in the neck p'up and very small in the bridge p'up.

I hope this would help to a better understanding of the stagger, which is actually the outcome of the most basic but not quite understood setup of a magnetic p'up.

And I also hope the separating the mythical from the factual will have its effect, as you're given the reasons behind the outcome.

HTH,
 
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Yikes. You guys would run out screaming if you saw how I have the polepieces adjusted on my Les Paul.

I'll just say I wanted lots of clarity... from ALL strings in both pickups.
Haven't noticed an imbalance in response so far but they pop out, uh, quite generously from the pickup cover.

I guess I'll check them again tomorrow. Just in case, you know. :D
 
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I bought a used Tone Zone humbucker off of eBay last year and when it arrived the pole screws were cranked way up. I laughed, because I assume the owner was trying to make the pickup brighter, cleaner, or both. Clearly the wrong tool for that job!
 
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[/QUOTE] As a guide you can follow the Gibson custom shop method to stagger the poles to follow the radius except for G which is lower as this over powers.
Setting all screws so there the side of the screw meets the domed part is flush with the top of the pickup as a starting point adjust each screw counter clockwise as follows:
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I don’t understand the above explanation of the initial screw positioning.

Could anyone please explain this? I would like to give this a try


Many Thanks 🙏🏻
 
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Welcome to the forum!

From what I can get from the description, you set the poles to follow the radius of the fretboard, then make the G string pole slightly lower.
 
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