Help? I'm having an install issue...

sixstringsling

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First of all I just want to apologize if this should go in another section, I'm new here and if I missed the I'm stupid and need help area I apologize.

Second, thank you very much in advance for reading! I greatly appreciate it.

I recently bought the hot rodded humbucker set with JBs to replace stock epi pickups in my Epi LCP Custom. I followed the wiring diagram on Seymour Duncan's website and just went with the standard schematic, 2 pickup / 2 volume / 2 tone / 3-way switch diagram.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_2t_3w

While I am not skilled with assembling components and my soldering may be ugly, I do have a little experience building effects pedals and those have turned out working just fine (I know that doesn't mean this pup install will be too, just illustrating I'm not a complete novice).

I followed the diagram to a "T" 3 times. First, I uninstalled the stock pickups and installed the new ones along with a new switch (gibson part). After buttoning up, I plugged it in (tried two different amps) and the neck pickup sounds great, but the bridge pickup was dead or at least I could not get it to pick up any sound - even tapping on it with my finger and then lightly with a metal screwdriver.

This morning, I went out and bought replacement pots (the original ones had become a bit scratchy) half because I intended to buy them the day before (but the store was out) and part because I just wanted new components in the guitar (again, gibson pots). After desoldering all the connections, I again meticulously followed the wiring diagram and set everything up again - taking special care to make sure that each lead or wire was in the exact spot according to the diagram.

I half-buttoned up this time and plugged it in. I set the switch to center and tapped on both pickups and heard noise. Great I thought! Buttoned up (left the plastic covers off though) and plugged it in again to check. Same problem as before though. The neck pickup sounded like it was working great, but the bridge pickup... nothing. Although I did mess with the gain and volume on the amp and when full blast I could hear the strings but they were very quiet and sounded very thin.

So, I desoldered again (what's that definition of insanity again?), and cleaned up my contact points and leads as best I could, studied the wiring diagram , and began again. I got everything done as best I could and secured the pots, switch, and jack and took it over to my amp. Same issue as attempt number two.

I'm seriously perplexed. I started each time with clean contact points, I lightly tinned the leads before each contact, cleaned and abraised the contact points on the back of the pots, was careful to try and get my solder joints as best as I could.

I could understand a bad solder point, cold joint, whatever you call it, but the same issue three times tells me there's something wrong and even if my soldering is ugly it seems too much of a coincidence that the same issue happened three times. The pickup does work, I'm fairly certain of that, and I don't see how the diagram could be wrong. I'm definitely missing something.








http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_2t_3w

Any help will be most appreciated. Thanks!
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

Hmmm I'd firstly swap the pickups just to see if the problem is transferred.
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

have you run a multimeter across the pup to make sure its working? check it at the pickup end and also at the end of the leads....you may have a working pickup coil, but the lead is shorted...
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

have you run a multimeter across the pup to make sure its working? check it at the pickup end and also at the end of the leads....you may have a working pickup coil, but the lead is shorted...

When you say "end of the pickup" where exactly do you mean? Yes, I do have a multimeter.

Thanks!
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

Ok, so I tested the hot and ground leads and it measured 16.5. So, I guess the pickup is alright?

Dang... Any other ideas? I am stumped.

Thanks!
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

I just read something on this website (not the forums on the regular site) about the phase being reversed or the pickups somehow being out of phase?

SD recommended trying either switching the hot and ground leads and putting each where the other was, or reversing the magnet? I'm not sure if that's the issue though.

Thanks.
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

Try wiring the pickup in question straight to the output jack. If it works ok then solder it to the volume pot with the tone disconnected, then to the jack. Then add in the tone pot connections, then finally the switch. This should quite quickly isolate where the bad connection is coming from.
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

Please disregard... I people am a moron. I repeatedly misread the diagram and was running the hot lead from the BV to ground on the BT... embarrassing, but its fixed.

Thanks, and if you spent time reading this long post I apologize.
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

I was gonna echo AlexR's response, but then add that the switch may not be making good contact on the bridge.

However, since you figured out the problem, there's no need for me to reply.

:p

And yeah, brain farts happen to me all the time like that. I used to plug my pedals in backwards and start panicking that I broke them somehow, and swore that I wasn't such a doofus as to plug them in backwards :lol:
 
Re: Help? I'm having an install issue...

Thank you for noting that, and thank you all for the replies.

The switch does usually make a single crackle when toggling between pickups... Its a standard gibson replacement part which I noticed is similar or identical to the stock epi switch which was replaced by this switch. Im guessing a better quality switch might alieviate that problem? Otherwise it sounds pretty good, not too noisy, but my all tube amp will be the test of that, as soon as it arrives.
 
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