Help modding this wiring?

[68 lost souls]

Heres the wiring explanation and diagram

It's "the ultimate strat verson 1" that Im talking about.

I want this with a phase switch to put the neck and bridge in and out of phase and also seperate controls for the each pup. (tone and volume)

What would the differnce be if I used higher 500k pots

Also what switches and pots would I use for each one?

Could someone get draw up an better diagram for me with the SD colour codes.

Thanks

EDIT:Also I forgot to mention that I want to make the three volume pots push/pull pots to split the hums and/or tap the single coil.

 

[Artie]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

When you say "separate controls for each pup", do you mean, separate on/off controls, instead of the 5-way?

Or do you mean separate volume and tone controls for each pup?
(As in, 3 volumes, 3 tones.)

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

Sorry I thought I explaond after I said that, I mean 3 Volumes and 3 tones

 

[Artie]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

Sorry I thought I explaond after I said that, I mean 3 Volumes and 3 tones

Actually, you did say that . . . it just that that is so unusual, that I wanted to make sure I understood you correctly before I drew it up.

Let me chew on this a bit then, 'cause it may not work out well. Heh-heh . . . six pots eh? :laugh2:

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

You could go with concentric pots but the problem with them is that they are expensive and they are 500k pots. I don't know of a concentric 250k? With a 500k pot single coils start to sound clanky and shrill. Although if the single coils are above 10k resistance a 500k won't hurt since they have entered humbucker teritory. A good rule of thumb I heard for tone controls is that if you have a 250k tone pot with a .022 cap and replace the pot with a 500k you would have to replace the capacitor with a .047 cap to keep the same frequency response.

Look at a 3 pickup Danelectro schematic and it will give you a good idea of how to wire the strat since Dano's use concentric pots.

Snowdog

 

[Artie]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

BTW - don't hold your breath on this one . . . its going to be a nightmare. :banghead:

This may take awhile.

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

By the way its not a stat Im putting it in its a homemade sg.

Also I forgot to mention that I want to make the three volume pots push/pull pots to split the hums and/or tap the single coil.

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

I have no idea how to make the midrange shaper. If anyone can help and this would also make it a 7 pot guitar.

Do you think it would be better just to leave it out as I can get the same effect with the tap I have on the single coil or an acoustic simulator anyway?

 

[rspst14]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

7 pot guitar? Do you actually have 7 holes drilled for the pots, because if not, you'll need to use concentric pots. The downside to doing that is that they are not available in a push/pull form, which would rule out the wiring tricks you mentioned unless you added more toggle switches. At that point, your guitar might start to look more like a space shuttle control center.

Honestly, I think you're going a little overboard here. Lots of gadgets and wiring tricks may seem nice, but once you actually get it wired up, you'll probably find that you rarely use them.

Ryan

 

[rspst14]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

When you say "midrange shaper," what do you want that control to do? You can probably rig up something to cut the mids, but you can't boost them unless you use active electronics. If you want a midrange boost, consider a Fender mid-boost circuit.

Ryan

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

I dont realy wanna go over board so thats why In dropping the mid range shaper.

Theres a deffinition of it here

I can put in the holes because Im building the guitar myself.

Its gonna be a neckthrough SG with 24 frets and hsh pups. A floyd rose hopefully and Im moving the input jack to the side like a jem or les paul.

 

[Artie]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

I doodled up a few things today, but didn't like anything I've come up with so far. Here's the problem - if you run separate vol/tone's for each p'up, then whenever you're in one of the neck/bridge combo positions, be it series, parallel, or reverse-phase, either of two things will have to happen:

1. You'll switch out the "extra" vol/tone control - which means you'll have "dead" controls in some switch positions - and need to try to remember in which positions which controls work . . . or . . .

2. You'll need to include the vol/tone controls into the switching matrix - which, as I eluded to earlier, will be a wiring nightmare. :saeek:

I haven't given up on this yet, but I don't believe that having 3 vol/tone's will be practical.

Lets see what tomorrow brings.

 

[rspst14]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

It's been my experience that multiple volume controls are more trouble than they're worth. I would strongly consider simplifying that wiring, maybe go with the Jimmy Page wiring instead. Even if Artie is able to come up with a diagram for you, you'll never be able to debug the wiring if you get the whole thing wired up, only to find it doesn't work. Trust me on that one, I've had that happen before...not cool.

The other thing to keep in mind...are you going to remember what all the controls do when you're playing in a live situation? The first time I played a 2 volume/2 tone guitar with no labels on the knobs, I kept forgetting which pot controlled what function.

Ryan

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

At the moment Im playing a 2vol 2tone with no labels so Im used to it. If I put the pots in the same line as the pups i.e. 2 lines of three with volume over tone and neck pup over neck pots etc. it should be easy enough to remember. Also the switches are different. A 2way switch for the neck on ala jagstang, a three way for the series and phase switches and a 5 way for the selector.

Thats something I forgot to say. Instead of the DPDT switch Im gonna put in a 2way selector.

Also I think the first of Arnies sollotion problems is the easier to live with as I can just use a different colour knob or stick a sticker on it to remember. The only problem with that is that you los versitilty onthe BN selection. DOes it also effect the BNM selections?

 

[jmutations]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

If you want those concentric pots and still need 250Ks, there's a trick I read in another post--I believe it was called Pots for Phat Cats. It involves wiring a 500K resistor across the outer pot terminals, turning 500Ks into 250Ks. Never tried it but it sounds . . . sound.

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

Artie any luck with the wiring?
Take your time if you want cause I wont be doing the wiring for a LONG time yet but some updates would be nice sorry if I seem pushy I dont mean to be.

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

When you say "midrange shaper," what do you want that control to do? You can probably rig up something to cut the mids, but you can't boost them unless you use active electronics. If you want a midrange boost, consider a Fender mid-boost circuit.

Ryan

Nah Ryan, he got this from the same smuck I told you about, ... concerning your comment on the mid control, it's not quite accurate as resonance can do some interesting things even though you will have a high cut, but your point is well taken ... those aftermarket mid boost/preamps are nice, they also let you mix in a dummy coil without effecting the tone of the other pups (Strat Elite). Midrange controls are available from Torres Engineering, Gibson used one for a number of years on various guitars and basses. The Gibby Ripper still has one I think. Chandler still makes the *Tone X* I think don't they ... although that's more of a crybaby circuit stuck in a guitar with a manual control knob. Also EMG make a couple that work with passives I believe. And Bartolini makes a *user* configurable midboost/preamp thing as well, only $30 I think. Lot's to choose from on that front.

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

When you say "midrange shaper," what do you want that control to do? You can probably rig up something to cut the mids, but you can't boost them unless you use active electronics. If you want a midrange boost, consider a Fender mid-boost circuit.

Ryan

Midrange controls ... Torres Engineering, Active Wah type, Chandler Tone X,
EMG makes a couple interesting ones, and Bartolini makes a nice user configurable one as well for around $30. The Fender is nice (like the Strat Elite had, even had an input for mixing in a dummy coil without it effecting the tone of the pups), still available (I think it's the same one used in the Clapton and Buddy Guy strats from that time as well ... you just didn't use the Dummy Coil input). Lot's of options. But your comment about a passive system only being able to cut isn't exactly correct as even though you do get a high end roll off the resonance causes a boost, still your point is well taken though.

 

[68 lost souls]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

yeah you can get them on guitar-mod aswel for about $15.

Also Artie I dont think a complicated wiring will be as anoying as some people think as my bro is an electronic engineer so I will be getting him to do the wiring. Pitty he can't do any pf the planning he knows nothing about guitars. |He thinks a guitar is a guitar they all sound the same.

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Help modding this wiring?

yeah you can get them on guitar-mod aswel for about $15.

Yeah, and if it wasn't for me giving him a PD schematic of it he wouldn't even know what it was ... of course I was told it has for his personal use .. not commerical ... I guess since he opened a site selling them he has a bit different interpretation of commerical huh? BTW, why not just ask the guy that runs that site how to do the mod you want? (Yes, right now there are about 5 or 6 people in the know chuckling to themselves, hey guys I believe in being civil ... up to a point).