Help my pick an amp for my singer... yikes...

joelap

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Sup fools,

I'm in a 4-piece covers/original act, doing the 90s and modern rock stuff, and my singer has decided he wants to play guitar for us. (Translation, he finally decided to spend his money on something other than adult beverages). True to his nature, he has tasked me with presenting him with options that would sound good with my setup (Demeter TGP-3/VHT 2502 -> Avatar 4x12 with G12H30's). I've come across a few ideas, looking for your opinions on what you think is his best bang for the buck. Sound isn't everything here! My singer is fairly haggard, and is not going to baby his gear. We need something reliable and easy to transport in his old mazda car, but cant take up too much room since he's responsible for bringing the PA when we gig out if we need one. I also don't want anything complicated... he really needs a plug-n-play setup lest he be confused by the knobs and options. This sounds fairly derogatory I'm sure, but these words are coming from him and not me. He's also on a fairly limited budget... has about 1G to spend right now and I'm reserving about 300 of that to spend on some in-ear monitors for the two of us. So lets say he's got about 600 or 700 bucks for guitar gear.

So here are the various options I've been considering:

Orange Tiny Terror - Small, simple, and sounds amazing. Down side is there's no idiot proof channel switch between clean/distortion for him. Then again, I can't think of many instances he'll be playing much cleans, and he's got his Ovation for that. I'd pair this up with a spare 2x12 I have that he can buy for 50 bucks or so. I'm concerned about it being loud enough for my band and not channel switching.

Orange Dual Terror - seems like best of both worlds really. I dont see many of these used, however, and it pushes the budget up a bit. Would definitely keep up with the band paired with my 2x12.

Mesa Studio Preamp - If he ran a studio pre, which he could pick up for 450 bucks or so, he can get himself a solid-state poweramp (old marshall valvestate comes to mind or crate powerblock) for now and be set. Concerned how the boogie sound would clash with the Demeter, whereas the vox I think would fit better. Plus, the all-tube tiny terror or dual terror seems like a better buy for the cash.

Crate V30/V32 - Well I know these rock and I know these can be had on the cheap. I'm just concerned about reliability. I have more confidence in the other gear lasting.

Thoughts? He'd have to be keeping up with the loudest, hardest-hitting drummer I know, a bassist pushing 300W of Ampeg goodness, and my gear mentioned above. Then there's the whole budget-thing. I'm really leaning towards the dual terror... seems the most portable, best sounding of the bunch.
 
Re: Help my pick an amp for my singer... yikes...

Try to find a Mesa F-30...

1x12 combo
~25-30 Watts with a pair of EL84s
2 channel (contour switch for more aggressive voice on lead channel)

It is idiot proof, 2 channel, great cleans, great gain channel for 90s and modern (kind of a mini Recto).....

They go for ~$500 to $600 used (they are discontinued)

DO NOT TEST ONE AT BEDROOM VOLUME! Turn it up to band practice volume and grin. Don't be concerned about Demeter vs. Boogie - good tone is good tone, don't overthink it.

I have one and will not get rid of it, even though I have a Road King, Stiletto, rack of doom, and a Mark V.....because that F-30 fits in my back pocket and just stomps when turned up....
 
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Re: Help my pick an amp for my singer... yikes...

Good idea, I'll throw that amp in the mixup too. I'll check into that.
 
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Does your singer actually know how to play guitar?

I'm asking because many of us, me included, have been in bands with singers who say stuff like "...and I can play some rhythm guitar too" and it turns out what they meant is they know a few open position cowboy chords.
 
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'Sup kid?!

Knowing the band I'd think the little Orange could keep up without a problem... I play with a guy who hits as hard, probably harder then Rich and with a 2x12 or 4x12 cab there's no issue with volume ASIDE from not having any sort of 'clean' sound. Not sure if that'd be an issue... if it is, go bigger. 40-50 watt amps. PV classic is always cheap & cheerful... is he ditching the acoustic altogether?

Next time we connect 'yer of course more then welcome to check out my Orange...

One thing I will do though is talk you guys out of the in-ears. At this point, for the places your playing its gonna be more hassle then benefit. In-ears are great, don't get me wrong... but you REALLY have to be in a position where you have 'full-control' over the PA. That would mean an engineer to set 'em up & have the whole band miked with a proper mix delivered.

They can be terribly isolating on their own... and most of the bar/club level audio hacks at the console won't be bothered to or even able to connect 'em to their ****box mixers which are usually have every output stuffed full.

If you were playing bigger places and/or dragging a console around to every gig I'd say go for it, no doubt... but I've simply had too many bad experiences at that level to think its worth it. Lots of people who tried 'em & bailed because of the technical feasibility.
 
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Does your singer actually know how to play guitar?

Oh yeah, he's pretty proficient. He plays acoustic for us too but he just doesn't have an electric setup. He's got one or two electric guitars but never graduated to the tube, loud-enough-to-play-in-a-rock-band amps.

Moose: I'm going to call you up in a few on the in-ears. We won't be micing the whole band though. What we were gunna grab was just the shure PSM 400, run both of our vocal mics into the transmitter, which also splits the signal to send to any board or PA we have. The goal would be to have only our vox in one of our ears, the other ear free. It'll help him since he sings better when he can hear himself.
 
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Hey Joe, knowing your band's sound, FWIW I think the Orange Dual Terror would be a solid choice. The current batch of V33s from Crate suck (at least compared to the MIA V32 Palominos that they originally released). I had cabinet rattling with mine which aggravated me enough to get me to sell it. The Dual Terror isn't all that difficult to dial in and setup would be less complicated than if he went with a rack rig like you've got. He'll have to hear it for himself and determine whether it sounds good enough or not. You may also think about getting an amplifier that has a far different texture than what you've got so that the different textures compliment each other. For instance, I used to handle the thicker, darker tones by using a PRS through a Bogner and the other guitar player used a Strat through a Hot Rod Deluxe for the thinner and brighter tones. It worked well because we didn't fight for the same frequencies. I'm sure your Les Paul through your Demeter rig has a pretty crunchy, thick tone to it. The Dual Terror can get some nice crunch, but you'll have to see whether or not you guys can EQ them so that you're not fighting to be heard.
 
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