Help please - looking for overdrive or boost pedal for 5E3 Deluxe clone

[justFred]

Want to use the 5E3 clone as a practice amp/low volumes but get that beautiful overdrive it has when running at high volumes.

Have added 5E3 Deluxe With Cascaded Channels mod - that is a good start;
also added separate master volume control - getting closer.

but need more to push it into that sweet zone.

Have never had much luck putting pedals in front of the 5E3, it somehow loses the classic sound.

Not optimistic but thinking maybe some of the local tone wizards may have found the formula.
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[Mincer]

Maybe just a clean boost to hit the preamp harder?

 

[ehdwuld]

EQ would work

I have several inexpensive drive pedals that love tube amps

Joyo Ultimate Drive
Is one

 

[Securb]

EQ would work
Is one

I was thinking the same thing. I would go with an EQ or some type of EP Boost.

 

[chadd]

I would definitely go with more clean gain than distortion on something like an OCD or even a Klone. I'm really loving the germanium Tumnus for adding gain to an edge of breakup amp.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

If you can afford both, I would go for both a clean boost and an overdrive. I'm sure you can get use out of both under different scenarios.

There are some pedals where you can actually have both. The TC Electronic Spark (not the mini, the full-size one) has some mild distortion you can blend in as well as the clean boosted sound and some EQ capabilities. The voicing of the mild distortion is not fantastic, though. That pedal works best IMO as a clean-ish boost with some color and some EQ capabilities.

I would go for a Spark (full-size) alongside a TS-type or Klon-type if you want the clean/overdrive blend, or an OCD-type if you want the grittier overdrive.

 

[GuitarStv]

I'd go with a relatively uncoloured/flat sounding OD (something like a Nobels ODR-1 can be set this way, maybe a Boss BD-2 if you don't mind the bass cut, or an OD-3 if you don't mind the slight mid scoop). This way you get some light added gain that doesn't change the sound of the amp too much, plus the ability to run the pedal just like a clean boost.

 

[Mincer]

Perhaps the Pickup Booster?

 

[Aceman]

I was gonna say clean boost of choice too, but then Ehd suggested EQ. I like EQ a lot, and here is why:

As you lower the volume, the response curve from bass to treble really changes, especially at lower volumes. So, with the Master volume, using an EQ you can
1. Hit it harder while maintaining low volume and
2. Adjust B/M/T for changes due to the overall volume in frequency response

I think that is what the real issue. Not what the amp is doing, but what comes out of the speaker. So make some pre-adjustments to the EQ, along with some clean boost.

 

[jeremy]

where is the master volume and how are the channels cascaded?

i have a pretty straight 5e3 clone, but with .047 coupling caps rather than .1. i assume you are running 12ax7s in both slots?

 

[justFred]

where is the master volume and how are the channels cascaded?

i have a pretty straight 5e3 clone, but with .047 coupling caps rather than .1. i assume you are running 12ax7s in both slots?

Rob Robinette’s 5E3 mods:

Master volume = replaced the phase inverter's 1M grid leak resistor with a 1MA pot​.

Cascaded Channels mod = Normal Channel is rerouted to Bright Hi input jack switch terminal. Normal Volume pot becomes 'Gain' Volume. V1A and B's cathodes must be separated by installing a 1.5k ohm (1/2watt or higher) cathode resistor and one or two 22µF 25v cathode resistor bypass capacitors on V1A and V1B's cathodes (pins 3 & 8). The Gain Volume pot uses pin 3 for input and pin 2 (center wiper) for output. A 680k ohm resistor is added to pin 2 to limit Gain Channel gain.

correct on .1 caps and 12AX7s.

 

[justFred]

EQ would work

I have several inexpensive drive pedals that love tube amps

Joyo Ultimate Drive
Is one

Thanks to everyone for your advice.

Ordered the Joyo Ultimate Drive, should have it in a couple of days. Videos sound like a good choice with many interesting options. Reviews all very positive, evidently a Chinese clone of the OCD 1 S1.

 

[ehdwuld]

Mostly a clone but has some changes

Not an exact clone

 

[marcello252]

I'm late to the party but, since most fender amp eqs are a bit scooped on the mids, a TS like od (tube screamer, boss sd1 ...) always works good

 

[jeremy]

bf/sf amps are mid scooped, tweeds are not. a ts into a 5e3 isnt a good plan. those circuit changes are enough that my amp and yours are quite different. how clean is your tone at the volume you are working with?

 

[marcello252]

mmh, not entirely true, even the flat bassman had a mid scoop, as you can see from tsc simulator

 

[justFred]

mmh, not entirely true, even the flat bassman had a mid scoop, as you can see from tsc simulator

How was that generated?

The 5E3 does NOT have a mid scoop!

Musicians that actually own and use the amp go out of their way to get a mid scoop:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...coop-for-5e3-with-low-insertion-loss.1698564/

 

[marcello252]

(the plot was generated by TSC in the web https://www.guitarscience.net/tsc/info.htm )

anyway, jeremy and justFred , you are right about the 5E3, my bad, the tone stack circuit is different on it , it works balancing a lowpass and a highpass, for the tweeds in general, it depends on the tone stack, the bassman and its derivatives (the marshall plexi for example) have a slight cut on the mids, as you can see in the simulator, you can however add mids varying the resitosr to ground value of the stack

 

[jeremy]

the 5f6a is a very different amp than the 5e3, or even a 5e7. great sounding amps though

 

[Fender_Punk]

Seymour Duncan Pickup Booster if you want a clean boost, EHX soil boost if you want tonal coloring. Both great pedals for not a lot of money.