Help with a HH w/ coil split super switch wiring

[ericcomposer72]

I was wondering if someone could help me out with a wiring diagram for this configuration. I would like to have my push-push tone knob split to the outer coil of the neck in positions 4 & 5.

Also, is it possible to not have the tone knob in the circuit in position 5?

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Hi Eric,

That sequence is in reverse order than normal. i.e. traditionally Position 1 is Bridge only and Position 5 is Neck only. How important is it to you to keep the current order as-is?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Jack is correct, position 1 should be bridge pickup and position 5 should be neck pickup...blade switch positions start at the tail end of the guitar and progress to the neck end.

Might I suggest that you start with Mincer's Do-it-all wiring scheme. I've wired a couple of my guitars and it sounds so good I've decided to make it the default wiring scheme in all of my new builds that have the 2 humbucker configuration. You can easily modify it if there are positions that aren't exactly what you want. He has posted it on the forum before but I can't seem to locate it just now (I've not been very impressed with Seymour's search engine).

It gives:
1. bridge humbucker (series coils)
2. bridge and neck both split to outer coils
3. bridge and neck humbuckers
4. bridge and neck both split to inner coils
5. neck humbucker (series)

This will get you almost what you want, but without the need for the p/p switch. It frees up that switch to be used for putting one of the pups out of phase or in parallel.

 

[ericcomposer72]

Hi Eric,

That sequence is in reverse order than normal. i.e. traditionally Position 1 is Bridge only and Position 5 is Neck only. How important is it to you to keep the current order as-is?

My mistake! I fixed the OP to reflect this.

 

[ericcomposer72]

Jack is correct, position 1 should be bridge pickup and position 5 should be neck pickup...blade switch positions start at the tail end of the guitar and progress to the neck end.

Might I suggest that you start with Mincer's Do-it-all wiring scheme. I've wired a couple of my guitars and it sounds so good I've decided to make it the default wiring scheme in all of my new builds that have the 2 humbucker configuration. You can easily modify it if there are positions that aren't exactly what you want. He has posted it on the forum before but I can't seem to locate it just now (I've not been very impressed with Seymour's search engine).

It gives:
1. bridge humbucker (series coils)
2. bridge and neck both split to outer coils
3. bridge and neck humbuckers
4. bridge and neck both split to inner coils
5. neck humbucker (series)

This will get you almost what you want, but without the need for the p/p switch. It frees up that switch to be used for putting one of the pups out of phase or in parallel.

This probably would have been what I went with, if it weren't for the fact that a wiring mistake in a previous guitar gave me full bridge + inner neck coil, and I absolutely fell in love with the sound- to the point where it's literally inspired me to write music specifically based on the sound of full 'bucker + split 'bucker!

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Eric,

I've started working on a diagram for this. I am believe the 4 poles of a superswitch are not enough to do everything you want. Are you opposed to adding a 2nd push-push to cover what the superswitch cannot?

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

My mistake! I fixed the OP to reflect this.

Got it, thanks

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Eric,

I've started working on a diagram for this. I am believe the 4 poles of a superswitch are not enough to do everything you want. Are you opposed to adding a 2nd push-push to cover what the superswitch cannot?

Even easier, if you were to use a No Load Tone Pot, then you could quickly dial it to 10 when you're in Position 1 (bridge pup only) which causes the Tone Ctl to get bypassed. For all other pickup selector positions, set the Tone Ctl to 9 or below for normal Tone Ctl operation.

 

[ericcomposer72]

Even easier, if you were to use a No Load Tone Pot, then you could quickly dial it to 10 when you're in Position 1 (bridge pup only) which causes the Tone Ctl to get bypassed. For all other pickup selector positions, set the Tone Ctl to 9 or below for normal Tone Ctl operation.

Ok. Why don't we go that route: no-load tone pot. Thanks!

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

EDIT: I see a change i want to make. Standby. I will post up a replacement diagram shortly.

Eric,
Here you go.

I decided to incorporate my prior idea for a No Load Tone pot as the means to achieve tthe Position 1 bypass functionality you requested. Because there is 1 too many special functionality requesta for the superswitch to handle... the superswitch would need a 5th pole.

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Updated diagram attached.

 

[Artie]

This does it, except for the tone control, which others have covered.

Oops. Jack beat me to it. Two different was to do it.

 

[ericcomposer72]

Thanks so much!

Jack- so this basically modifies the tone pot into a "no-load"? I was under the impression I'd have to buy a new pot! That's a relief

 

[ericcomposer72]

Updated diagram attached.

Also- hypothetical- if I wanted to rotate the bridge PU instead of the neck, would I then just swap where the green (S start) and black (N start) are connected?

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Thanks so much!

Jack- so this basically modifies the tone pot into a "no-load"? I was under the impression I'd have to buy a new pot! That's a relief

Norhing in the diagram "does" anything to make the pot a No Load. You would either buy a No Load pot or convert a traditional pot to No Load in DIY fashion by scraping away the carbon fiber in a certain spot with an exacto knife or similar. There are Youtube videos that cover the details. I've done it DIY method, its not difficult.

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Also- hypothetical- if I wanted to rotate the bridge PU instead of the neck, would I then just swap where the green (S start) and black (N start) are connected?

No, if you did that, the two pickups would be out of phase in Positions 2 through 4.

The mod to support what you want to do, involves swapping the "destination" routes of the two rightside poles of the superswitch. I.e. shunting to positive for those connections that currently short to ground, and vice versa. The push-push pot connections would also be impacted. I can make those mods. Just let me know if you are definite about rotating bridge pup instead of neck pup.

By the way, i rotated one of the pups and did the shunts and shorts the way they are so that you would have hum-canceling in the positions that feature Both Inner Coils and Both Outer Coils.

 

[ericcomposer72]

No, if you did that, the two pickups would be out of phase in Positions 2 through 4.

The mod to support what you want to do, involves swapping the "destination" routes of the two rightside poles of the superswitch. I.e. shunting to positive for those connections that currently short to ground, and vice versa. The push-push pot connections would also be impacted. I can make those mods. Just let me know if you are definite about rotating bridge pup instead of neck pup.

By the way, i rotated one of the pups and did the shunts and shorts the way they are so that you would have hum-canceling in the positions that feature Both Inner Coils and Both Outer Coils.

Got it. I will try it as-is for now (neck rotated)

 

[ericcomposer72]

No, if you did that, the two pickups would be out of phase in Positions 2 through 4.

The mod to support what you want to do, involves swapping the "destination" routes of the two rightside poles of the superswitch. I.e. shunting to positive for those connections that currently short to ground, and vice versa. The push-push pot connections would also be impacted. I can make those mods. Just let me know if you are definite about rotating bridge pup instead of neck pup.

By the way, i rotated one of the pups and did the shunts and shorts the way they are so that you would have hum-canceling in the positions that feature Both Inner Coils and Both Outer Coils.

Jack-

I've actually thought about it, and I would like to rotate the pickups so both "souths" are facing the neck.

Thanks for your help, as always. Did you get my PM?

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Jack-

I've actually thought about it, and I would like to rotate the pickups so both "souths" are facing the neck.

Thanks for your help, as always. Did you get my PM?

Eric,

Ok, I will make an updated diagram for you, probably this evening.

I did not see your PM until now. Just sent you a reply.

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Updated diagram, with bridge pup rotated. So both pups have the screw coil / south magnetic on the neck-facing side.