Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
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Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
Tom, first of all, you aren't being a "pest". I like a challenge.
Unfortunately, I didn't see Kent's post 'til just now. Which simply means, it took me a few hours of studying the wiring diagrams to figure out what I could've known if I had seen it. :yell:
The bottom line is: I don't know how that switch works, and can't seem to make any sense of any possible switching schemes from it. Until, and unless, I can find a breakdown of how those switch contacts work, this one has me beat. :blackeye:
I haven't given up, but its not likely to be very soon, 'til I get this figured out.
Sorry to keep you holding here.
Keep in mind, if you wanted to swap that switch out for a more conventional 5-way, we could easily get you close to what you wanted, using standard SD schematics. It wouldn't be exact, but it would be real close.
Let me know what your thoughts are on this, and we'll go from there.
Sorry again for not coming through on this one. I am going to get me one of those switches.
Artie
Tom, first of all, you aren't being a "pest". I like a challenge.
Unfortunately, I didn't see Kent's post 'til just now. Which simply means, it took me a few hours of studying the wiring diagrams to figure out what I could've known if I had seen it. :yell:
The bottom line is: I don't know how that switch works, and can't seem to make any sense of any possible switching schemes from it. Until, and unless, I can find a breakdown of how those switch contacts work, this one has me beat. :blackeye:
I haven't given up, but its not likely to be very soon, 'til I get this figured out.
Sorry to keep you holding here.
Keep in mind, if you wanted to swap that switch out for a more conventional 5-way, we could easily get you close to what you wanted, using standard SD schematics. It wouldn't be exact, but it would be real close.
Let me know what your thoughts are on this, and we'll go from there.
Sorry again for not coming through on this one. I am going to get me one of those switches.
Artie
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
I almost forgot, and I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but if you simply substitute Seymour Duncan wiring colors for the Ibby's, you'ld get this:
I'm not positive about the red and white wires of the neck pup though. (Jazz)
They might be reversed. Also, I can't say for certain that this will work. Its simply putting SD wires into the Ibby diagram.
I almost forgot, and I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but if you simply substitute Seymour Duncan wiring colors for the Ibby's, you'ld get this:
I'm not positive about the red and white wires of the neck pup though. (Jazz)
They might be reversed. Also, I can't say for certain that this will work. Its simply putting SD wires into the Ibby diagram.
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
Well, I was looking at the "Megaswitches" but the dimensions say it would be tight in my shallow SCA220. Tell ya what, I'm going to order this:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electro...Megaswitches/Instructions/I-3530.html#details
If it'll fit in the guitar cavity I'll give you the stock Ibby switch and even send it Priorty Mail :laugh2: if you'll help match the SD wires to the new switch?
Problem is...replacing the entire switch takes me into the deep dark place with polarity, pots, and all that fun stuff I was hoping to avoid :22:
I am assuming the "P" model is the one I'd want?! You don't have to remind me what happens when I assume
The "me" part is the only absolute in this equation ;-)
Again, thanks for spending all this time on this here idiot. You've already done a bunch...I hate to keep asking for more.....
- Tom
ArtieToo said:Keep in mind, if you wanted to swap that switch out for a more conventional 5-way, we could easily get you close to what you wanted, using standard SD schematics. It wouldn't be exact, but it would be real close.
Let me know what your thoughts are on this, and we'll go from there.
Sorry again for not coming through on this one. I am going to get me one of those switches.
Artie
Well, I was looking at the "Megaswitches" but the dimensions say it would be tight in my shallow SCA220. Tell ya what, I'm going to order this:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electro...Megaswitches/Instructions/I-3530.html#details
If it'll fit in the guitar cavity I'll give you the stock Ibby switch and even send it Priorty Mail :laugh2: if you'll help match the SD wires to the new switch?
Problem is...replacing the entire switch takes me into the deep dark place with polarity, pots, and all that fun stuff I was hoping to avoid :22: I am assuming the "P" model is the one I'd want?! You don't have to remind me what happens when I assume
The "me" part is the only absolute in this equation ;-) Again, thanks for spending all this time on this here idiot. You've already done a bunch...I hate to keep asking for more.....
- Tom
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
Not a problem. Its how I give something back to this place I love so much.
If you're not in a huge hurry, I'd hold off just a bit on the switch. Since we're basically talking about a twin-humbucker guitar, I'd hate to see you buy more than you need.
Tell me this: what exactly, do you want to see, in terms of pup options? (switching choices.) And, are you totally against the idea of adding any switches, or using push/pull pots?
You can get a whole lot of functionality, very easily, with just a switch or two. Let me know, and we'll go from there.
Oh yeah, and where on the planet are you? It'ld be a shame if you were close by, and we didn't realize it. Maybe I could just wire the guitar for you. :wink:
endwell said:
Not a problem. Its how I give something back to this place I love so much.
If you're not in a huge hurry, I'd hold off just a bit on the switch. Since we're basically talking about a twin-humbucker guitar, I'd hate to see you buy more than you need.
Tell me this: what exactly, do you want to see, in terms of pup options? (switching choices.) And, are you totally against the idea of adding any switches, or using push/pull pots?
You can get a whole lot of functionality, very easily, with just a switch or two. Let me know, and we'll go from there.
Oh yeah, and where on the planet are you? It'ld be a shame if you were close by, and we didn't realize it. Maybe I could just wire the guitar for you. :wink:
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
Well, basically...straight humbucker in the 1 and 5 postions...from there I'd just like a couple options that "sound" single coil-ish? Does that make sense? I've had, in the past, a couple Strats. My first got upgraded to EMG-SA's and loved it. But it was a wierdo year (86 I think?) and it had a funky fulcrum trem so I then got a Deluxe Strat plus with the (then) new Lace Sensors. I got bored with that and realized the guitar was waaay better than I'd ever be so I sold it and got a cheapy ESP with dual "Duncan Designed" pickups in it (can you see where this is going yet?). The pickups and mahogany body really got me going. But the cheap feel of the guitar turned me off quickly. I then got an Ibanez RG3120...unbeleivably pretty guitar with Dimarzios from the factory. Funny thing is, I realized it was pretty, and built with superb craftsmanship...but it wasn't me (I'm getting older ;-) . I may love listening to Vai, Morse and Satriani...but I'll NEVER play like them. I'm now content with what I got which is more in line with Robby Krieger and David Gilmore :wink: So this lead me to finding the "right" guitar for me. It was to be a hardtail and dual humbuckers with some form of split coil sound. I happened across the SCA220 which is basically created for me. It splits the scale between 25.5 and 24.75 (25" scale length). Not quite a Strat...but not a LP either. It had 2 humbuckers and a well built mohagany body (my Strat was swamp ash). I then went back to that ESP and tried to find out what those pickups were "designed" around. That lead me to the Jazz/JB combo. I bought them....now I'm trying to install them :13:
Whoaah...is my session over? Sorry 'bout that :22:
To get back on topic, no I'm not at all against push/pulls but I dont think I want to add toggles/more holes/etc.. The guitar has a single tone and a single volume. I wouldnt be against replacing them...but additional switches? Probably. But again, I was thinking I was keeping this simple so I never considered them.
Sorry! In my haste to post to the site I flew thru the registration. Unfortunatley I'm not in Florida. I Live in Rochester NY...ever heard of "The House of Guitars"? More of a museum than a music store now, but still MAJOR cool.....I've run into many (semi)famous names there...met Eric Johnson there just wandering around looking at guitars....surreal......
Anyway, sorry for the "Tom's guitar timeline" tangent.
In summary:
Push/pulls = no problem, but never considerd since I was "keepin' it simple"
new holes in guitar = nah, mini toggles would make it look like a carvin :32:
Florida to Rochester ArtieToo wiring? = you like snow?!?!
THANKS AGAIN,
Tom
ArtieToo said:
Well, basically...straight humbucker in the 1 and 5 postions...from there I'd just like a couple options that "sound" single coil-ish? Does that make sense? I've had, in the past, a couple Strats. My first got upgraded to EMG-SA's and loved it. But it was a wierdo year (86 I think?) and it had a funky fulcrum trem so I then got a Deluxe Strat plus with the (then) new Lace Sensors. I got bored with that and realized the guitar was waaay better than I'd ever be so I sold it and got a cheapy ESP with dual "Duncan Designed" pickups in it (can you see where this is going yet?). The pickups and mahogany body really got me going. But the cheap feel of the guitar turned me off quickly. I then got an Ibanez RG3120...unbeleivably pretty guitar with Dimarzios from the factory. Funny thing is, I realized it was pretty, and built with superb craftsmanship...but it wasn't me (I'm getting older ;-) . I may love listening to Vai, Morse and Satriani...but I'll NEVER play like them. I'm now content with what I got which is more in line with Robby Krieger and David Gilmore :wink: So this lead me to finding the "right" guitar for me. It was to be a hardtail and dual humbuckers with some form of split coil sound. I happened across the SCA220 which is basically created for me. It splits the scale between 25.5 and 24.75 (25" scale length). Not quite a Strat...but not a LP either. It had 2 humbuckers and a well built mohagany body (my Strat was swamp ash). I then went back to that ESP and tried to find out what those pickups were "designed" around. That lead me to the Jazz/JB combo. I bought them....now I'm trying to install them :13:
Whoaah...is my session over? Sorry 'bout that :22:
To get back on topic, no I'm not at all against push/pulls but I dont think I want to add toggles/more holes/etc.. The guitar has a single tone and a single volume. I wouldnt be against replacing them...but additional switches? Probably. But again, I was thinking I was keeping this simple
so I never considered them.ArtieToo said:
Sorry! In my haste to post to the site I flew thru the registration. Unfortunatley I'm not in Florida. I Live in Rochester NY...ever heard of "The House of Guitars"? More of a museum than a music store now, but still MAJOR cool.....I've run into many (semi)famous names there...met Eric Johnson there just wandering around looking at guitars....surreal......
Anyway, sorry for the "Tom's guitar timeline" tangent.
In summary:
Push/pulls = no problem, but never considerd since I was "keepin' it simple"
new holes in guitar = nah, mini toggles would make it look like a carvin :32:
Florida to Rochester ArtieToo wiring? = you like snow?!?!
THANKS AGAIN,
Tom
tone4days
Heel Whacker
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
one way to keep it simple (yet get some nice tonal variety) would be to get a 5 way, 4 pole "p type" megaswitch ... recreates the options of the PRS 5 way rotary ...
1. Bridge humbucker
2. Inner coils in parallel
3. Outer coils in series
4. Outer coils in parallel
5. Neck humbucker
the #2 and #4 positions are very single coil-esque .. and #3 is a voice all its own .. you might need to do a magnet flip to preserve humbucking in all positions, but that's not hard
just a thought
t4d
one way to keep it simple (yet get some nice tonal variety) would be to get a 5 way, 4 pole "p type" megaswitch ... recreates the options of the PRS 5 way rotary ...
1. Bridge humbucker
2. Inner coils in parallel
3. Outer coils in series
4. Outer coils in parallel
5. Neck humbucker
the #2 and #4 positions are very single coil-esque .. and #3 is a voice all its own .. you might need to do a magnet flip to preserve humbucking in all positions, but that's not hard
just a thought
t4d
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help with Jazz/JB combo rewiring
Along with what T4D said, you can get some nice variations with just a standard 5-way. Here's just one example:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/2hum_vol_tone_5way-w-split.html
You can extend that functionality greatly by the addition of one or two push/pull pots. (No additional holes.)
I'll cover some more cool ideas when I get home from work.
Along with what T4D said, you can get some nice variations with just a standard 5-way. Here's just one example:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/2hum_vol_tone_5way-w-split.html
You can extend that functionality greatly by the addition of one or two push/pull pots. (No additional holes.)
I'll cover some more cool ideas when I get home from work.
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