Henry says ukes will save Gibson- They really need an L5s and marketing 101

Re: Henry says ukes will save Gibson- They really need an L5s and marketing 101

On a sidebar, you guys know SDUG Ace as serious guitar poster, but did you know he's also a 6 sigma black belt = a process master?

*ahem*

Master Black Belt and Globally recognized figure....
 
Re: Henry says ukes will save Gibson- They really need an L5s and marketing 101

Sometimes is goog to have someone that makes you feel sane & smart. Thanks Henry!
 
Re: Henry says ukes will save Gibson- They really need an L5s and marketing 101

Anyone remember the Gibson Goddess? Their first failure - I mean attempt - at this? Apparently not....

https://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/gibson-les-paul-goddess-27486

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I really like that model and would purchase one if I saw it at the right price. It’s chambered and doesn’t have traditional controls etc, it’s unique even if it’s kind of limited but I think it looks eye catching.


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I would have designed it with a different headstock...it looks out-of-balance, to me. Maybe something like the Pat Martino one.
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I really like that model and would purchase one if I saw it at the right price. It’s chambered and doesn’t have traditional controls etc, it’s unique even if it’s kind of limited but I think it looks eye catching.


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Re: Henry says ukes will save Gibson- They really need an L5s and marketing 101

I tend to just say what's on my mind, so here I go... Like the accordion, the electric guitar has run its course. Kids today have ZERO interest in playing stringed instruments, much less being in a band. Personally, I don't see how any major instrument manufacturer is going to be able to stay in business beyond the year 2020. They may as well be making yo-yos and hula-hoops! Once the legacy acts retire, that will be it. There are more than enough archived "beats" and "loops" to satisfy the sheepish youth for the next 100 years. There will always be those (like us) who continue as hobbyists, but this is not enough to sustain new instrument manufacturing and sales on a commercial level. The market is beyond saturated with used instruments... More than enough to sustain a future revival.

Whatever music gear that you don't plan on passing-on or being buried with, you should liquidate while you still can. If it were my call, I would sell the Gibson brand to the highest eBay bidder... Oh, what a fitting irony that would be! :)
 
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Nostalgia is Gibson's product.
 
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I tend to just say what's on my mind, so here I go... Like the accordion, the electric guitar has run its course. Kids today have ZERO interest in playing stringed instruments, much less being in a band. Personally, I don't see how any major instrument manufacturer is going to be able to stay in business beyond the year 2020. They may as well be making yo-yos and hula-hoops! Once the legacy acts retire, that will be it. There are more than enough archived "beats" and "loops" to satisfy the sheepish youth for the next 100 years. There will always be those (like us) who continue as hobbyists, but this is not enough to sustain new instrument manufacturing and sales on a commercial level. The market is beyond saturated with used instruments... More than enough to sustain a future revival.

Whatever music gear that you don't plan on passing-on or being buried with, you should liquidate while you still can. If it were my call, I would sell the Gibson brand to the highest eBay bidder... Oh, what a fitting irony that would be! :)

So you envision every guitar maker going out of business in the next year and a half....interesting premise.

Larry
 
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I tend to just say what's on my mind, so here I go... Like the accordion, the electric guitar has run its course. ...
There are more than enough archived "beats" and "loops" to satisfy the sheepish youth for the next 100 years.

Mopar, you might be right and no matter what happens it will.be very different than our time.

On the other hand, practically every kid I know plays accoustic and that could always lead to crossover...

Country is still strong...

Met a teenage ornamental modern worship guitarist a few weeks ago and I was amazed at how he effortlessly combined melodies with rhythm... He's part of a big local movement and theres a lot of beats and looping going on...

And the data does say Female market is growing rapidly, but thats a lot of acoustic overlap.

So it doesnt sound like my Tom Petty, Blue Oyster Cult days, but not sure that its dying either.

And either way, if you make guitars you should be incenting musicians and dealers... The opposite of what Gibson has been doing and imagine the influence they could have if they hadn't been goofing around...

I look at that kid I mentioned and wish I could do everything hes doing now and couldn't imagine that level of competence when I was that age...

Bottom line is there are good players and they might surprise us;)



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I am hoping for the return of the ES Artist, but that is unlikely. I will settle for a Howard Roberts Fusion, though.

Mmmm... I'm not a yuge semi-hollow guy, but I've been jonesing for a Howard Roberts ever since the video for Rush's "Tom Sawyer" first debuted. Lifeson was so damn cool in those days (in a nerdy way).
 
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Mmmm... I'm not a yuge semi-hollow guy, but I've been jonesing for a Howard Roberts ever since the video for Rush's "Tom Sawyer" first debuted. Lifeson was so damn cool in those days (in a nerdy way).
Lifeson + Lee + Peart = perfection.

And he did look so much better than flock of seagulls or boy George;)

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So you envision every guitar maker going out of business in the next year and a half....interesting premise.

Larry
I just don't see how they can sustain in the long run. If it were me, I'd git out while the gittin is good. Maybe not as soon as 2020, but it's coming soon. I live in Central Florida where music gear has always been a breeze to sell... Not anymore! I ran a near mint 1987 Marshall Silver Jubilee 2550 half-stack on CL for $1800.00 for over 1 month. If there's one area in Central Florida where a Marshall SJ stack will sell, it is Tampa Florida. I received one offer... a trade offer! Same with a mint 1996 Gibson LP Custom Black Beauty... It ran for $2200.00 for 2 months without a single offer. I asked my friend if he was seeing it on Tampa CL site, to which he replied yes. I did recently receive an offer of $2600.00, so all is not lost, yet. I can sell Rockman modules at the drop of a hat! Someone said "nostalgia", and I think this person is right. Specific items will sell, while others tend to languish.
 
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Mopar, you might be right and no matter what happens it will.be very different than our time.

On the other hand, practically every kid I know plays accoustic and that could always lead to crossover...

Country is still strong...

Met a teenage ornamental modern worship guitarist a few weeks ago and I was amazed at how he effortlessly combined melodies with rhythm... He's part of a big local movement and theres a lot of beats and looping going on...

And the data does say Female market is growing rapidly, but thats a lot of acoustic overlap.

So it doesnt sound like my Tom Petty, Blue Oyster Cult days, but not sure that its dying either.

And either way, if you make guitars you should be incenting musicians and dealers... The opposite of what Gibson has been doing and imagine the influence they could have if they hadn't been goofing around...

I look at that kid I mentioned and wish I could do everything hes doing now and couldn't imagine that level of competence when I was that age...

Bottom line is there are good players and they might surprise us;)



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An 18 year old guy knocked on my front door one night while I was putting a recently modified Cornford RK100 through its paces. He introduced himself as a fellow player, said that he was "digging what I was playing..." After talking with him for a few minutes, I welcomed him in to jam, as I also have a Ludwig kit in the house. I have to tell you, this kid was every bit as good as Michael Schenker! He is without question one of the best guitar players I have ever heard. He was carrying a crappy acoustic with him; of which he could belt-out every note of "Eugene's Trick Bag" without missing a single note. So yeah, there is hope, but I honestly thought... "What's he ever going to do with that talent in a world that has no interest?" It's f-ing sad, but that's where we are.
 
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I tend to just say what's on my mind, so here I go... Like the accordion, the electric guitar has run its course. Kids today have ZERO interest in playing stringed instruments, much less being in a band.

How would you know anything about kids? Every time one shows up you tell them to get off your yard. :cussing:

Even if they did show up with a guitar you'd tell them to check out Uriah Heap :smack:

:lmao:

But yeah....you may have the timeframe wrong....maybe not so wrong on the course of events.
 
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I just don't see how they can sustain in the long run. If it were me, I'd git out while the gittin is good. Maybe not as soon as 2020, but it's coming soon. I live in Central Florida where music gear has always been a breeze to sell... Not anymore! I ran a near mint 1987 Marshall Silver Jubilee 2550 half-stack on CL for $1800.00 for over 1 month. If there's one area in Central Florida where a Marshall SJ stack will sell, it is Tampa Florida. I received one offer... a trade offer! Same with a mint 1996 Gibson LP Custom Black Beauty... It ran for $2200.00 for 2 months without a single offer. I asked my friend if he was seeing it on Tampa CL site, to which he replied yes. I did recently receive an offer of $2600.00, so all is not lost, yet. I can sell Rockman modules at the drop of a hat! Someone said "nostalgia", and I think this person is right. Specific items will sell, while others tend to languish.

Maybe your problem is nobody wants to buy a half stack? As quality combo 2×12s and lunchbox heads become more common, people are using "big rigs" less and less, for several reasons. You can't get tube distortion without walking the neighbors, you can't get speaker breakup, you don't need them for live gigs (unless for some odd reason the venue is large enough to need mics but too poor to afford them), they aren't very pleasant to work with in the studio, and so many kids are doing DI's they don't need them for that.

I recently liquidated all of my 4×12s, which took about 6 months for 4 cabs, and refuse to buy another.
 
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Maybe your problem is nobody wants to buy a half stack? As quality combo 2×12s and lunchbox heads become more common, people are using "big rigs" less and less, for several reasons. You can't get tube distortion without walking the neighbors, you can't get speaker breakup, you don't need them for live gigs (unless for some odd reason the venue is large enough to need mics but too poor to afford them), they aren't very pleasant to work with in the studio, and so many kids are doing DI's they don't need them for that.

I recently liquidated all of my 4×12s, which took about 6 months for 4 cabs, and refuse to buy another.

Speaking as a guy in a Hair band....I use a 2x12 and a head set to 50 watts. Plenty loud.
 
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Failing at being Gibson .... takes a certain amount of skill

They could probably run a profitable merch business selling coffee mugs and bumper stickers even if they somehow managed to continue to operate their luthiery operation at a loss
 
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