HI END AMP TALK -- all experiences welcome!

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Well, I'm DEFINITELY going to Black Creek, because that shop ROCKS and I can kill several birds in one shot.

Rudy's is a 65 dealer, too, as well as Blankenship!
 
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Thanks for the replies!
Okay, so my 'must audition' list includes:
65 Amps
Divided By 13
Blankenship
Orange (vintage?)
Hiwatt (vintage?)
Budda
Top Hat (if I can find one)

If yer gonna throw old amps in the works (which is the only way to fly IMHO) I'd say look into the slightly left of center britt stuff...Orange, Hiwatt and Sound City for sure...

In terms of new amps despite the high quality of most of them the tones leave a lot to be desired to me but there are a few...Fargen amps are pretty killer, Reinhardt and Germino are 2 of the best in terms of Marshall style amps...Germino for dead nuts on clones and Reinhardt for inspired by but hopped up for various changes including gain, tone and versitility. I alsop have to say that the new 3 Monkeys amp(s) are great...I still haven't tried in person but if you can find a dealer you should, the clips are out of this world. I also like quite a few Bad cat amps...the Panther is just great. Also, I would be out of my mind not to mention Divided by 13...IMHO Fred is making some of the best amps out there today...just amazing.
 
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If you asked this same question on TGP, you would get a deluge of real, no-****, firsthand experience.

You gotta be kidding me. That's the one place he can go to get more confused. Nothing is ever good enough over there, he'll just get a million different opinions on what Dumble clone to buy and what's the most expensive, most current boutique amp because that'll automatically be the best. As much as I enjoy that place, it's the truth.

As far as Fargen amps, I owned one (that's your "first hand, no **** experience") and was disappointed. The Epic 30 DC amp's sustain was all over the place, the clean headroom suffered and the overdrive was muddy. I also owned a Bad Cat Hot Cat and thought it was garbage (ridiculously unmatched volume between the clean and overdrive channels, great cleans with no headroom to speak of and raunchy, gritty overdrive that was harsh) so don't buy into the BS hype that gets spread around online.

For thicker, darker guitar tones, I think you'd really like Budda and Bogner amps (the Shiva has a darker, kinda compressed vibe or the Ecstasy would be a cool amp for the sheer amount of versatility it offers - a lead players dream). Orange kinda gets that flavor, but with a fuzzier undertone if that's what you're looking for.
 
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For thicker, darker guitar tones, I think you'd really like Budda and Bogner amps (the Shiva has a darker, kinda compressed vibe or the Ecstasy would be a cool amp for the sheer amount of versatility it offers - a lead players dream). Orange kinda gets that flavor, but with a fuzzier undertone if that's what you're looking for.

Budda's are pretty cool...

Talking with Olin a few weeks back, we were talking about Rivera & Bogner and he said, to which I agreed its a great observation... that Rivera is like a Fender/Marshall voiced through the ears of a Fender guy, and Bogner is a Fender/Marshall voiced by a Marshall guy.

Honestly, I'm not too impressed with the Ecstasy... but everytime I've been around one I haven't had a lot of time to fiddle with it, and its really NOT a plug & play amp.

The tone of old Orange amps I think, one of the best recorded examples is the band Hum. Either of those records... both were LP's through Orange. Not new Oranges, which aren't as chunky as the old ones.

And none of these amps "suck" really. Its personal preference...
 
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Budda's are pretty cool...

Talking with Olin a few weeks back, we were talking about Rivera & Bogner and he said, to which I agreed its a great observation... that Rivera is like a Fender/Marshall voiced through the ears of a Fender guy, and Bogner is a Fender/Marshall voiced by a Marshall guy.

Honestly, I'm not too impressed with the Ecstasy... but everytime I've been around one I haven't had a lot of time to fiddle with it, and its really NOT a plug & play amp.

The tone of old Orange amps I think, one of the best recorded examples is the band Hum. Either of those records... both were LP's through Orange. Not new Oranges, which aren't as chunky as the old ones.

And none of these amps "suck" really. Its personal preference...

I'd agree with that Rivera observation. The Bogners cleans have never been all that Fendery like people online make 'em out to be. They have a nice chime on the highend, but they're warmer and more midrange oriented, definitely more "Marshall" voiced. Riveras did have more of a scooped thing going for it from the few times I've tried the Knucklehead and it was definitely not as compressed as my Shiva (I tried it admittedly not for a good period of time though and it's been a long time). There's definitely a huge feel difference. Bogners have that sag to them (something I really prefer myself) and amps like Riveras probably aren't as forgiving, they seem to have a faster response.
 
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The thing with TGP is that it's probably been asked before. Perhaps a better place to read up on than post questions.

So the vibe I'm getting from you is you want a thicker, older school marshall kind of tone. Right?

I don't think 65 will be your bag. The Royal Albert model is vaguely like a JMP with a sculpted top end, so maybe that. But the other stuff you're talking about is mostly in the marshall camp, and the rest of the 65 range isn't really on that tip. Among the very best for my tastes, but for yours?

My experience with Reinhardt is the ampzilla and the 18. The ampzilla was a brutal thing, kind of like a jubilee gone wild, and not in a good way. The 18 was fantastic, easily the most 'big marshall' sounding 18watter I've heard, with a huge vocabulary in terms of the marshally tones you could get from it.

If you've not tried a Bogner ecstasy give it a go. The 'plexi' voicing on the blue channel is a beautiful thing, and that's just one of the many tones in that box. The 101B has a very compressed feel which makes it incredibly easy to play, but it is a different feel to an old-school amp, so you'll have to plug in to see if you like it. The ecstasy classic is supposed to have a more open feel so that may be a good choice if you like what you hear but need a little more immediacy. The people who own bogners get crazy religious about them, and with good reason, but they aren't for everyone. Give one a try and see. They certainly sit on the thicker side of the Marshall camp, and they record like a dream.

As far as div13 go, my only time with one has been with the FTR37, and I was disappointed. It was sort of an average bf deluxe reverb on one side and a fizzy fender/marshall hybrid on the other. I expected to love that amp and was highly disappointed. Maybe the other stuff is great...

The TopHat most in your ballpark is the emplexador mk2. It's a good solid take on the plexi and metalface tone but it's nothing spectacular. The only TopHat that I thought was a genuinely nice amp was the supreme 16 and that ain't what you're hunting. I suspect much of the buzz among tophat users may be based on value for money rather than 'played it all and this is the best'.

I've played a lot of Matamps and they are all over the map, tonally and design-wise. I know they have a certain 'ooh cool, British amp' factor among many US players, but to me they are just amps that are very hard to sell. Honestly I'd recommend the Orange Rockerverb 50 over any of the maybe 10 different Matamps I've played.

Can't help with the komets and brunos.
 
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honestly, "HI END AMP TALK" is a very general topic

reading through this thread, I just don't see enough specifics about the tone you're searching for, although that's admittedly my lack of knowledge :)

the good news is that there are so many great amp makers nowadays, and it's a buyer's market ...
if possible, and if you're still looking next year, you should try your best to get to the New York Amp Show, since it's a great way to compare a lot of great amps in one place

for better or worse, TGP is still a good place for suggesstions, since there's a much larger membership, maybe a better demographic, and just a lot of knowledgeable players and amp builders. However, again, you'll need to be specific about the tone you want. People want to help, they just don't have a lot of patience trying to figure out exactly what you want to begin with.
 
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Huh... goes to show how people hear things differently.

I'd agree with that Rivera observation. The Bogners cleans have never been all that Fendery like people online make 'em out to be. They have a nice chime on the highend, but they're warmer and more midrange oriented, definitely more "Marshall" voiced. Riveras did have more of a scooped thing going for it from the few times I've tried the Knucklehead and it was definitely not as compressed as my Shiva (I tried it admittedly not for a good period of time though and it's been a long time). There's definitely a huge feel difference. Bogners have that sag to them (something I really prefer myself) and amps like Riveras probably aren't as forgiving, they seem to have a faster response.

I'll agree on the Bogners having the midrange push & 'chime' on the top end but I hear them as being more "open" with a greater amount of presence. Almost to the point of being 'harsh' IMO. Like there's a dominate frequency that makes the hair on my neck stand up, but not in that warm fuzzy way.

The Bogs I've sampled all seem to be lacking sag though... at least what I'd call sag. When I think of that, I'm thinking a tweed or JTM45 running flat out where it compresses & bends. I think the Bogs are generally less forgiving, more exact amps then the Riveras.

Playing bogners... mainly the Ecstasy a few times... I hear every mistake in my playing come shooting through... sort of like Barden pickups vs. Fralins or whatever. They probably do have more of a "Marshall" voice, but my Rivera Rake has also kicked a few great Marshalls to the curb or at least hung right with them.

Either one is top notch though... certainly different takes on the same vibe.
 
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