HOLY DECIBEL . . . an AC30 is (((LOUDER))) than a 100W Plexi !

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Thank God the Beatles used AC30's in their American Tours and not 100W Plexi full stacks hey !

The girls allready "out-screamed" their 'little' amps in the day, just think how bad thing would have been if they came over with full stack Plexi's :omg:





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Re: HOLY DECIBEL . . . an AC30 is (((LOUDER))) than a 100W Plexi !



Listen @ . . . 1m16s to 1m42s.


So, if an AC30 is indeed louder then a Plexi, as we've seen in the 1st clip, then what that bloke is saying in the above documentry is not so valid.

If an AC30 could not shut up the girls, how the hell is a lesser dB amp gonna do it, mmmmm ?

Make you think . . . does'nt it !
 
Re: HOLY DECIBEL . . . an AC30 is (((LOUDER))) than a 100W Plexi !

Lot of things to consider here, in my opinion.
First, many people confusses amp's wattage with the volume that their speakers produce.
Amp's watts are the energy that the amp has available to be transferred to the speakers.
What determines the final volume is the speaker's efficiency (or how much energy coming from the amp is transduced as sound preasure).
The Blue Celestions that AC30 mounted were one of the highest efficient speakers and, yes, the AC30 is painfull loud (with those speakers!).

We can talk about the load also, if your amp can work with a max impedance of 4 Ohm and you are mounting a cab that gives 16 Ohm you are dividing by 4 the watts. Try that 1959 with a single 4 Ohm high efficiency (and high RMS watts) and, measure it again.

But, there are still more things to consider. How that measures were made, because each frequential band as a direct impact in loudness (how do WE hear the volume, that is not a measurable thing contrary to volume).
The human ear is very sensitive to middle frequencies (because the human voice moves around 3K to 4K Hz) so, any bump in that range, maintaining the broadband volume will be heard as louder.

Still more things to take into account. That video is micking just 1 speaker of the 8 that a full stack has and, very close to the cab.
8 speakers move TONS of air, way more than 4 and way more than 2.
So, let that people measuring at 5 meters from the cabs and see what happens.
Also, put yourself in front of all rigs and, let me know which made you a new haircut and which one created an earthquake in your guts.
 
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There are few things to keep in mind here.

First you are equating wattage to volume and the 2 have little to do with each other. Always remember one thing...you can not hear a watt.

Also, we have no idea what speakers are in any of these amps and that is the real key to volume here...speaker efficiency.

Keep in mind this as well not that it has much to do with volume, wattage and db's but since you mentioned the Beatles...big loud rock bands of the late 60's were running their amps full up in most cases, the Beatles ran their amps fairly clean in their live shows plus they most of the time only ran through one amp each...

The last thing about that "test" is simple...it's outside...in a room, even a big room the wave front produced by each amp would also be a factor.
 
Re: HOLY DECIBEL . . . an AC30 is (((LOUDER))) than a 100W Plexi !

There are few things to keep in mind here.

First you are equating wattage to volume and the 2 have little to do with each other. Always remember one thing...you can not hear a watt.

Also, we have no idea what speakers are in any of these amps and that is the real key to volume here...speaker efficiency.

Keep in mind this as well not that it has much to do with volume, wattage and db's but since you mentioned the Beatles...big loud rock bands of the late 60's were running their amps full up in most cases, the Beatles ran their amps fairly clean in their live shows plus they most of the time only ran through one amp each...

The last thing about that "test" is simple...it's outside...in a room, even a big room the wave front produced by each amp would also be a factor.


Oh deff . . . this is more of a tongue in cheek post, more than anything else.
 
Re: HOLY DECIBEL . . . an AC30 is (((LOUDER))) than a 100W Plexi !

They have the mike 2" in front of one speaker in each amp test.

In the Marshall stack, you have 100 watts feeding 8 speakers = 12 1/2 watts per speaker.

In the AC30 you have 30 very loud watts driving 2 speakers = 15 watts per speaker. Probably more.

I've got to say that the Vox sounded better to me than the Marshall in that test, BTW.

My AC30 with vintage 60's Celestion Alnico Blue 12's was the best sounding amp I've ever owned...but so loud I couldn't gig with it. The only reason I sold it was the same reason I sold my 100 watt Marshall plexi. To loud for the style of music I play.
 
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When I was young and stupid I had an original AC30 (not a reissue) and sold it for what was market price at the time. Of course that looks regrettable now.

However, I did sell it because these mother****ers are just uncontrollably loud, don't take powersoaks well and are very hard to transport. It was probably the right decision at the time although it was worth what - a month's rent?
 
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I liked the Hot Rod better than the Vox. Is something wrong with me? :nervous:
 
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Thank God the Beatles used AC30's in their American Tours and not 100W Plexi full stacks hey !

I saw the Beatles at the Olympia in Detroit when I was in high school. We were part of a TWA sponsored battle of the bands and although we didn't win (the Woolies won) we did win tickets to see the Beatles. The Olympia is where the Red Wings played Hockey in the 1960's.

Anyways, the Beatles were not using AC30's. They were using Vox Super Beatles - big 100 watt Vox heads, each with four 12" Celestions and, I think, a tweeter.

I could tell what songs they were playing but couldn't hear any detail with all the screaming.

They sang through the PA used for making announcements. Not very high quality sound in those days.

I forget the year but I graduated from HS in '67. So '65 or '66 since they were doing new songs off of the "Beatles 65" album.
 
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One thing to consider is the wattage ratings on both those amps is RMS (i.e. average). I bet the dB meter is measuring peak wattage, which can be much higher.
 
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There are few things to keep in mind here.

First you are equating wattage to volume and the 2 have little to do with each other. Always remember one thing...you can not hear a watt.

[h=1]Marshall JTM 1H 50th anniversary 1 Watt Amp Head[/h]
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I'm not sure that's such a great comparison? It goes beyond sound pressure levels and becomes a question of sound projection. An open back 30w amp may be as loud as a 100w amp at 6in, but what about 10ft? Basically you have a cone of sound radiating from the amp, but how far off axis can you still hear the amp and from how far away? If you think in those terms wattage and speaker design start to make more sense. Your goal is to fill space, not just create high sound pressure levels. Amps grew in power because early PA's were for the singer. Once everyone was miced wattage became less important for sound projection.
 
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I used to have a dream that I'd be able to have a volume war with a car.

I figured the car would win by a landslide though. And that's why my dream consisted of me daisy chaining a bunch of amps together. :friday:
 
Re: HOLY DECIBEL . . . an AC30 is (((LOUDER))) than a 100W Plexi !

Bring 'yer Marshall SuperBass & Sunn Model T full stacks :D :D :D





This is about the right amount of low end !
 
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