HOT brigde PAF
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Skaforlifeologist
Re: HOT brigde PAF
actually, most of the rockfield pickups are overwound paf-type pickups(42awg wound to 9-10k). i'd actually look to them for the kind of pickup you're describing.
actually, most of the rockfield pickups are overwound paf-type pickups(42awg wound to 9-10k). i'd actually look to them for the kind of pickup you're describing.
SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
Sounds like my cup of tea :yourock:
Yeah that chambering really goes into the pickups and the amp and makes the sound more powerfull
I´m bying a Peavey Windsor Studio in a month or two were it has EL34 and ECC83 tubes standard and i´m also getting a RS Guitarworks modern kit with pots for my Les Paul.
After that i´m getting myself a new pickup.
But pickup manufacters doesn´t seem to be willing to tell me which of their pickups which uses AWG42 gauge wire
Stil what you said made alot of sense and i´ve always got the volume knob to help me while playing.
Sounds like my cup of tea :yourock:
Yeah that chambering really goes into the pickups and the amp and makes the sound more powerfull
I´m bying a Peavey Windsor Studio in a month or two were it has EL34 and ECC83 tubes standard and i´m also getting a RS Guitarworks modern kit with pots for my Les Paul.
After that i´m getting myself a new pickup.
But pickup manufacters doesn´t seem to be willing to tell me which of their pickups which uses AWG42 gauge wire
Stil what you said made alot of sense
and i´ve always got the volume knob to help me while playing.
ganzosrevenge
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
the RSGW kits are amazing, the pots are topnotch and the best part is, they will make you a custom wiring if you have a base but want something a little different. (I got a vintage wiring kit with a 500k tone #2 and a bumblebee for said tone... for my brobucker). A lot of companies don't list what AWG they use (42, 43, 44) because a lot of players (ie: those not on guitar forums) don't really think to look at the gauge of wire that's being used. However, before you go and just jump into a new pup from the RSGW kit, see what the RSGW kit does by itself. A lot of people on other forums have stated that the RSGW kit alone saved the pickups from being evicted from their guitars. Apparently it opens up the sound of the pickups and guitar more and lets more of the high-end come through, less of the mushy, and they're made to extremely tight tolerances (+/- 10% on all pots, rather than the normal +/- 20% on normal pots). Best of all, they're CTS.
S-H says it's a chambered LP standard, if that's the one with the PCB connects, you may have other problems that weren't mentioned here yet. I don't know how those boards work in terms of changing out pickups, however I can only imagine that it'd make life more difficult having to swap a board out before you can put in "real electronics". In this case, you may have to consult someone who has "PCB removal" experience before you can even get the RSGW kit. One thing I will say with the 11k bro though is that because the windings can go slightly outside the area of the bobbins, you may not be able to fit it in the pickup mounting rings. My strat PG had to be cut a little wider to shoehorn it in, but BOY is it nice.
Get the RSGW kit first, if that doesn't fix the LP's problems, then I'd start looking at PAF-style pickups. The marshallhead and the brobucker are both great pickups, but the higher you wind 42AWG, the more oomph it's going to give you and the more of the guitar's natural resonance you'll get, at 11k, you're talking a pickup that could give a PAF's rendition of "Invader in an ES-335" feedback.
Just lookin' out
Jason
Sounds like my cup of tea :yourock:
Yeah that chambering really goes into the pickups and the amp and makes the sound more powerfull
I´m bying a Peavey Windsor Studio in a month or two were it has EL34 and ECC83 tubes standard and i´m also getting a RS Guitarworks modern kit with pots for my Les Paul.
After that i´m getting myself a new pickup.
But pickup manufacters doesn´t seem to be willing to tell me which of their pickups which uses AWG42 gauge wire
Stil what you said made alot of sense
the RSGW kits are amazing, the pots are topnotch and the best part is, they will make you a custom wiring if you have a base but want something a little different. (I got a vintage wiring kit with a 500k tone #2 and a bumblebee for said tone... for my brobucker). A lot of companies don't list what AWG they use (42, 43, 44) because a lot of players (ie: those not on guitar forums) don't really think to look at the gauge of wire that's being used. However, before you go and just jump into a new pup from the RSGW kit, see what the RSGW kit does by itself. A lot of people on other forums have stated that the RSGW kit alone saved the pickups from being evicted from their guitars. Apparently it opens up the sound of the pickups and guitar more and lets more of the high-end come through, less of the mushy, and they're made to extremely tight tolerances (+/- 10% on all pots, rather than the normal +/- 20% on normal pots). Best of all, they're CTS.
S-H says it's a chambered LP standard, if that's the one with the PCB connects, you may have other problems that weren't mentioned here yet. I don't know how those boards work in terms of changing out pickups, however I can only imagine that it'd make life more difficult having to swap a board out before you can put in "real electronics". In this case, you may have to consult someone who has "PCB removal" experience before you can even get the RSGW kit. One thing I will say with the 11k bro though is that because the windings can go slightly outside the area of the bobbins, you may not be able to fit it in the pickup mounting rings. My strat PG had to be cut a little wider to shoehorn it in, but BOY is it nice.
Get the RSGW kit first, if that doesn't fix the LP's problems, then I'd start looking at PAF-style pickups. The marshallhead and the brobucker are both great pickups, but the higher you wind 42AWG, the more oomph it's going to give you and the more of the guitar's natural resonance you'll get, at 11k, you're talking a pickup that could give a PAF's rendition of "Invader in an ES-335" feedback.
Just lookin' out
Jason
SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
Thanks Jason
I´ve heard so much about the RS Guitarworks kits to
It´s not Gibson new controllerboard thing, thank god
It´s the old school stuff, anyway i´m doing it myself so that i will learn...
If i already can change pickups soldering and stuff why can´t i change pots
Sounds like a could stick with original 10K brobucker
Do you have any soundclips of yours???
Take care mate
Thanks Jason
I´ve heard so much about the RS Guitarworks kits to
It´s not Gibson new controllerboard thing, thank god
It´s the old school stuff, anyway i´m doing it myself so that i will learn...
If i already can change pickups soldering and stuff why can´t i change pots
Sounds like a could stick with original 10K brobucker
Do you have any soundclips of yours???
Take care mate
Brow
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
Bareknuckle VHII will do the sound you're describing.
Not entirely sure what wire it is, but if it does the tone you want, does it really matter?
EDIT: It's Asymmetrically scatterwound coils of 42 gauge vintage plain enamel wire with an unpolished, vintage cut Alnico V magnet
Bareknuckle VHII will do the sound you're describing.
Not entirely sure what wire it is, but if it does the tone you want, does it really matter?
EDIT: It's Asymmetrically scatterwound coils of 42 gauge vintage plain enamel wire with an unpolished, vintage cut Alnico V magnet
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SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
Yes the wire matters...
Bareknuckle VHII will do the sound you're describing.
Not entirely sure what wire it is, but if it does the tone you want, does it really matter?
Yes the wire matters...
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: HOT brigde PAF
Not impossible, but that's pretty close to the limit. On the other hand, if you have taller bobbins, which can be easily made by cutting an existing bobbin in half and gluing a styrene insert in there, the 42 limit is expanded a bit.
Not impossible, but that's pretty close to the limit. On the other hand, if you have taller bobbins, which can be easily made by cutting an existing bobbin in half and gluing a styrene insert in there, the 42 limit is expanded a bit.
SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
No problem, you´re just trying to help and i apreciate it.
I beleive the Gibson 498T is close to 15kOhm so it´s AWG43 and the SD 59 hasn´t convinced me, from all the youtube videos and seymour duncans soundsample...
But thanks anyway..
No problem, you´re just trying to help and i apreciate it.
I beleive the Gibson 498T is close to 15kOhm so it´s AWG43 and the SD 59 hasn´t convinced me, from all the youtube videos and seymour duncans soundsample...
But thanks anyway..
ganzosrevenge
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
yea, 10k is pushing... i got 11k on mine, but it BARELY fits. I love it though, i still say the op should go with a bro @ 10k for what he wants.
Jason
yea, 10k is pushing... i got 11k on mine, but it BARELY fits. I love it though, i still say the op should go with a bro @ 10k for what he wants.
Jason
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: HOT brigde PAF
You shouldn't be so sure that you don't want A2.
A2 in overpotted machine-made PAFs sucks. But it does not suck in hand-made pickups. I seriously doubt that you will be able to tell which of my boutique pickups have A2 and which have A5. Once people start messing with the pickups things get fuzzy.
I'm pretty sure the '78 is what you want, although there's a high chance you like a '59. If you are serious about the A5 craze then try a '59, but many people grow tired of it.
Hi guys
I´m looking for a bridge pickup for my Les Paul standard which is chambered.
I have the Burstbucker pro for the moment which reads 7,96kOhm.
I need a pickup which is louder, cleaner and brighter.
I would prefer if it where in the 9-12kOhm range and Alnico 5.
The other requirement is that it has to be AWG42 gauge copper wire...
I play very Randy Rhoads influenced and a little Van Halen but i don´t want the SD 78 because of it´s Alnico 2.
Would a hybrid pickup such a the combination of a 59/Custom5 be a good choice???
Take care guys
You shouldn't be so sure that you don't want A2.
A2 in overpotted machine-made PAFs sucks. But it does not suck in hand-made pickups. I seriously doubt that you will be able to tell which of my boutique pickups have A2 and which have A5. Once people start messing with the pickups things get fuzzy.
I'm pretty sure the '78 is what you want, although there's a high chance you like a '59. If you are serious about the A5 craze then try a '59, but many people grow tired of it.
SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
I´d rather have a 78 then a 59...
Guess i´m going for a standard brobucker and maybe try both the alnico 5 and alnico 2 in it...
I´d rather have a 78 then a 59...
Guess i´m going for a standard brobucker and maybe try both the alnico 5 and alnico 2 in it...
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NoelH
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
Question: Are Duncan Customs (C, C5, CC) 43awg wire?
Also, I 've read here about guys using one say, Custom coil and one '59 coil. That would meet the definition of hybrid I guess, right? Midrange-wise, what does that net you?
Sorry, not trying to hijack, just trying to put all this together. I actually am in the same dilema myself. Just bought a Carvin CS6C (w/ Floyd), and the guitar is great and the pickups suck badly. A 'Hot PAF' is the direction I want to go. A5 to me, seems to leave a hole in the mids. At least with those danged Carvin pickups.
Ordered a Custom and A2, A3, A4, and A8 from Wymore. Gonna try A4 first. I'm on a mission I guess..
Question: Are Duncan Customs (C, C5, CC) 43awg wire?
Also, I 've read here about guys using one say, Custom coil and one '59 coil. That would meet the definition of hybrid I guess, right? Midrange-wise, what does that net you?
Sorry, not trying to hijack, just trying to put all this together. I actually am in the same dilema myself. Just bought a Carvin CS6C (w/ Floyd), and the guitar is great and the pickups suck badly. A 'Hot PAF' is the direction I want to go. A5 to me, seems to leave a hole in the mids. At least with those danged Carvin pickups.
Ordered a Custom and A2, A3, A4, and A8 from Wymore. Gonna try A4 first. I'm on a mission I guess..
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ErikH
Well-known member
Re: HOT brigde PAF
The Custom series are 43AWG. Trying different mags with them is cool because each one gives different sounds with the same coils. That's what the CC, C5, Custom and C8 are in the Duncan line.
This whole getting caught up on the wire gauge and windings is just plain silly, IMO. If it takes a 43AWG pickup to get you where you want be, then so be it. Don't limit yourself to just 42AWG.
The Custom series are 43AWG. Trying different mags with them is cool because each one gives different sounds with the same coils. That's what the CC, C5, Custom and C8 are in the Duncan line.
This whole getting caught up on the wire gauge and windings is just plain silly, IMO. If it takes a 43AWG pickup to get you where you want be, then so be it. Don't limit yourself to just 42AWG.
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Curt
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
Yea, the mafia and the fatass are actually the only two that aren't just PAF's or overwound PAF's. the turbo is just an overwound PAF with hex screw pole peices instead of the typical slug/screw type. the Zebra, is a slightly overwound PAF, the SWV is pretty much a PAF I think, and the SWC sounds like what this guy wants, from my experience with it anyway.
Yea, the mafia and the fatass are actually the only two that aren't just PAF's or overwound PAF's. the turbo is just an overwound PAF with hex screw pole peices instead of the typical slug/screw type. the Zebra, is a slightly overwound PAF, the SWV is pretty much a PAF I think, and the SWC sounds like what this guy wants, from my experience with it anyway.
GoDrex
Riffologist Extraordinaire
Re: HOT brigde PAF
This seems to be true. But, for me it works. It's certainly not a scooped sound and keeping mids above 12 on my amp is enough compensation I think. I'm just talking about a particular guitar here: for me the A2 sounds really cool, but the lows are not tight enough, especially with a clean tone. I tried an A4 and it has tons of mids and is tight, but the highs lack the "sparkle" that I like. Sounded kind of flat and boring to me. The A8 is nice all around but too powerful. A5 worked the best for me. I'm using a 59/C hybrid, btw.
This seems to be true. But, for me it works. It's certainly not a scooped sound and keeping mids above 12 on my amp is enough compensation I think. I'm just talking about a particular guitar here: for me the A2 sounds really cool, but the lows are not tight enough, especially with a clean tone. I tried an A4 and it has tons of mids and is tight, but the highs lack the "sparkle" that I like. Sounded kind of flat and boring to me. The A8 is nice all around but too powerful. A5 worked the best for me. I'm using a 59/C hybrid, btw.
SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
In my opion there´s no wire that will give such a wonderfull tone as the AWG42 gauge....
I´m not saying other wire gauges sound bad, they just can´t provide that tone i wan´t...
Guess why alot of folks are craving for PAF´s, they´ve got AWG42
Which is a part of the holy grail PAF tone
In my opion there´s no wire that will give such a wonderfull tone as the AWG42 gauge....
I´m not saying other wire gauges sound bad, they just can´t provide that tone i wan´t...
Guess why alot of folks are craving for PAF´s, they´ve got AWG42
Which is a part of the holy grail PAF tone
SwedishHumbucker
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Re: HOT brigde PAF
True, i turn the mids up to 7-8 on the knob which goes from 0-10 really gives a wonderfull sound
True, i turn the mids up to 7-8 on the knob which goes from 0-10
really gives a wonderfull sound