dazzlindino
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has anyone used a hot rail in the bridge of a strat then decided to go to a full size humbucker and try to get the same tone?
what humbucker would be closest to that?
what humbucker would be closest to that?
hot rails = what full size humbucker
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darthphineas
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
according to what SD told me many moons ago, the Hot Rail was modeled after the Invader.
there might be some on the board that would argue that. I've used them both, several years apart, so I've not done the pepsi challenge.
according to what SD told me many moons ago, the Hot Rail was modeled after the Invader.
there might be some on the board that would argue that. I've used them both, several years apart, so I've not done the pepsi challenge.
darthphineas
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
^^^ what'd I tell ya. ^^^
lol!
uOpt, sounds like you should take it up with Duncan tech support.
it's not my opinion at all, as I can deal with the Hot Rail and think the Invader is ****e. so dawn't mind if I put dis in mah reahview.
^^^ what'd I tell ya. ^^^
lol!
uOpt, sounds like you should take it up with Duncan tech support.
it's not my opinion at all, as I can deal with the Hot Rail and think the Invader is ****e. so dawn't mind if I put dis in mah reahview.
Chris of Arabia
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
It does taste just like chicken though...
It does taste just like chicken though...
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Invader=16.8k, 4 con, 5khz res. freq. ceramic bar mag. 7/8/4 BMT
Hot Rails=16.9k, 4 con, 3.5khz res. freq. ceramic bar mag. 5/7/4 BMT
That's certainly close. The differences could've been decided because of housing, pots, and polepiece differences in order to make them more compatible. If Duncan said they tried to make them like the Invader then I wouldn't doubt it.
Then again do the lil 59 or lil JB sound THAT much like the original full size counter parts? Or are the differences proportional?
Invader=16.8k, 4 con, 5khz res. freq. ceramic bar mag. 7/8/4 BMT
Hot Rails=16.9k, 4 con, 3.5khz res. freq. ceramic bar mag. 5/7/4 BMT
That's certainly close. The differences could've been decided because of housing, pots, and polepiece differences in order to make them more compatible. If Duncan said they tried to make them like the Invader then I wouldn't doubt it.
Then again do the lil 59 or lil JB sound THAT much like the original full size counter parts? Or are the differences proportional?
uOpt
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Yeah that's the invalid comparison somebody in customer support used, too.
The Invador has 3 magnets, and the polepieces cause a massive change. The HR doesn't even have polepiece in the first place.
ETA: the resonance frequency matters a lot more, although 3.5 KHz is obviously incorrect for the HR so you can't use that.
Yeah that's the invalid comparison somebody in customer support used, too.
The Invador has 3 magnets, and the polepieces cause a massive change. The HR doesn't even have polepiece in the first place.
ETA: the resonance frequency matters a lot more, although 3.5 KHz is obviously incorrect for the HR so you can't use that.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Hope someone from duncan chimes in.
Hope someone from duncan chimes in.
darthphineas
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Agreed.
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Agreed.
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dazzlindino
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
looking at the tone chart, seems all the strat style humbuckers have low reson peak numbers. Could you speak to why you think it is incorrect?
looking at the tone chart, seems all the strat style humbuckers have low reson peak numbers. Could you speak to why you think it is incorrect?
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
The frequency of the resonance peak cannot be measured directly, because you cannot measure the capacitance of a pickup coil directly. You need a piece of fancy setup that we discussed here earlier.
A 3.5 KHz resonance peak would sound like drumming on Justin Bieber's sanitor bucket. In addition to that it is absolutely obvious that the Invader's peak is at a lower frequency than the HR, or anything else for that matter.
I think that somebody took different equipment to measure the mini hums, possibly trying to measure capacitance with a meter and then do math on that.
The frequency of the resonance peak cannot be measured directly, because you cannot measure the capacitance of a pickup coil directly. You need a piece of fancy setup that we discussed here earlier.
A 3.5 KHz resonance peak would sound like drumming on Justin Bieber's sanitor bucket. In addition to that it is absolutely obvious that the Invader's peak is at a lower frequency than the HR, or anything else for that matter.
I think that somebody took different equipment to measure the mini hums, possibly trying to measure capacitance with a meter and then do math on that.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Bumping this for answers hopefully.
Bumping this for answers hopefully.
Aceman
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Everybody settle down.
Question #1
- What pup in humbucker size is close to the specs of a Hotrails? The Invader is close - on paper
*Important issue - we all have issues with the tone curve on various pickups on the Duncan site. So the difference between the B/M/T might be legit or not.
Question #2
- What humbucker IYO sounds like a Hotrails?
Regardless of the specs - two pups could sound exactly alike or completely different!
I do not believe a Hotrails would ever be mistaken for an Invader if A/B'd in the same guitar.
There is a lot more to the pup than the res peak and the mag type.
But I like this question. Continue....
Everybody settle down.
Question #1
- What pup in humbucker size is close to the specs of a Hotrails? The Invader is close - on paper
*Important issue - we all have issues with the tone curve on various pickups on the Duncan site. So the difference between the B/M/T might be legit or not.
Question #2
- What humbucker IYO sounds like a Hotrails?
Regardless of the specs - two pups could sound exactly alike or completely different!
I do not believe a Hotrails would ever be mistaken for an Invader if A/B'd in the same guitar.
There is a lot more to the pup than the res peak and the mag type.
But I like this question. Continue....
darthphineas
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Re: hot rails = what full size humbucker
Yes, please continue until some hapless guy working the phones at SD tech support loses his job because he's repeating facts that some dude on the 'user forum' doesn't agree with. Just don't blame me when he's face down in the gutter, selling pints of blood just to get a new set of strings...or worse, having to work for DiMarzio! That's just cruel and heartless.
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Yes, please continue until some hapless guy working the phones at SD tech support loses his job because he's repeating facts that some dude on the 'user forum' doesn't agree with. Just don't blame me when he's face down in the gutter, selling pints of blood just to get a new set of strings...or worse, having to work for DiMarzio! That's just cruel and heartless.
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