Scott Olson
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
I think the Invader is the closest to the Hot Rails in humbucker size.
I think the Invader is the closest to the Hot Rails in humbucker size.
HotRails fullsized???
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
The tone chart for the Invader is… 7-Bass 8-Mid 4-Treble
The tone chart for the Hotrails is…. 5-Bass 7-Mid 4-Treble
While close in comparison, they sound nothing alike in tone.
I had a Invader before and it was waaaay to muddy sounding to me.
I liked the output but just to bassy. It didn't clean up as nice as the Hotrails either.
The cool thing about the Hotrails is when you turn it down it actually gets fatter and retains it's volume as well.
So far, this is what Seymour has suggested… Blade Humbucker, thin stainless steel blades, small ceramic magnet,
metal bottom plate. SHR-1b Hotrails voicing.
The tone chart for the Invader is… 7-Bass 8-Mid 4-Treble
The tone chart for the Hotrails is…. 5-Bass 7-Mid 4-Treble
While close in comparison, they sound nothing alike in tone.
I had a Invader before and it was waaaay to muddy sounding to me.
I liked the output but just to bassy. It didn't clean up as nice as the Hotrails either.
The cool thing about the Hotrails is when you turn it down it actually gets fatter and retains it's volume as well.
So far, this is what Seymour has suggested… Blade Humbucker, thin stainless steel blades, small ceramic magnet,
metal bottom plate. SHR-1b Hotrails voicing.
DeathMetalRob
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
I'd say Kramer QuadRails. If SD can make you a variation of that without incurring a lawsuit, I say go for it.
It'll be the best money you ever spend.
If you want a quick fix - ebay the QRs.
The other option might be to get a Dimebucker and swap the magnet for one half the thickness of the stock magnet.
I'd say Kramer QuadRails. If SD can make you a variation of that without incurring a lawsuit, I say go for it.
It'll be the best money you ever spend.
If you want a quick fix - ebay the QRs.
The other option might be to get a Dimebucker and swap the magnet for one half the thickness of the stock magnet.
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
They say my pickup will resemble the Dimebucker in looks but not in sound. Part of the reason the Dimebucker is so shrill sounding is because it
has an all plastic casing. Mine will have a metal casing and the Hotrails EQ/voiceing which is much smoother and fat. They say it will sound just
like the Hotrails only a bit wider which I think will be a great compliment to the existing platform.
I am very stoked about this. Seymour is the best.
They say my pickup will resemble the Dimebucker in looks but not in sound. Part of the reason the Dimebucker is so shrill sounding is because it
has an all plastic casing. Mine will have a metal casing and the Hotrails EQ/voiceing which is much smoother and fat. They say it will sound just
like the Hotrails only a bit wider which I think will be a great compliment to the existing platform.
I am very stoked about this. Seymour is the best.
DeathMetalRob
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
Sounds pretty good to me, mate. I've just put forward and idea for an 8 string Dime style pickup (different inside so, it' won't be a Dime at all) I am also stoked about this (it'll be custom #4).
Has it got a name..?
Sounds pretty good to me, mate. I've just put forward and idea for an 8 string Dime style pickup (different inside so, it' won't be a Dime at all) I am also stoked about this (it'll be custom #4).
Has it got a name..?
DeathMetalRob
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
Yeah, they're awesome.
I've got: an 8 string Invader - made about 6 months before they became a stock model - with a 21.54k output - https://forum.seymourduncan.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40546&thumb=1&d=1364488296
a 'Quarter Pound Hot Cat' a hot wound humbucker sized P-90 with Quarter Pound pole pieces - https://forum.seymourduncan.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51201&thumb=1&d=1392847408
and a '78/'59 Hybrid Model. This one is pretty special. It has the right amount of crunch (even with an A2 magnet) to play death metal and it cleans up beautifully for chorus pedal use.
Others will follow.
Yeah, they're awesome.
I've got: an 8 string Invader - made about 6 months before they became a stock model - with a 21.54k output - https://forum.seymourduncan.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40546&thumb=1&d=1364488296
a 'Quarter Pound Hot Cat' a hot wound humbucker sized P-90 with Quarter Pound pole pieces - https://forum.seymourduncan.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51201&thumb=1&d=1392847408
and a '78/'59 Hybrid Model. This one is pretty special. It has the right amount of crunch (even with an A2 magnet) to play death metal and it cleans up beautifully for chorus pedal use.
Others will follow.
EDX
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
maybe an invader with slugs or thick hex screw (like the ones in the full shred) will made it even more similar to the hot rails, or asking to the CS for actually that, using the hex screws and normal screw bobbins just wound at invader specs
ther than that the onely wich is similar in look, (and maybe with a 250k vol and the tone dialed back a little will sound similar) is the dimebucker
as far as the design goes the full size hot rails will look pretty much like a Seymour Slug or an El Diablo
maybe an invader with slugs or thick hex screw (like the ones in the full shred) will made it even more similar to the hot rails, or asking to the CS for actually that, using the hex screws and normal screw bobbins just wound at invader specs
ther than that the onely wich is similar in look, (and maybe with a 250k vol and the tone dialed back a little will sound similar) is the dimebucker
as far as the design goes the full size hot rails will look pretty much like a Seymour Slug or an El Diablo
Edgecrusher
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
In the el diablo and slug the rails are actually magnets... a hot rails they are jsut blade pole pieces.. a full size hotrail would need to look more like the dimebucker.
Why would you ask for the CS to make you invader bobbins and hex screws hoping it sounds like a hot rail when you can just ask them to make you a pickup that sounds like a hot rail and skip the guess work?
In the el diablo and slug the rails are actually magnets... a hot rails they are jsut blade pole pieces.. a full size hotrail would need to look more like the dimebucker.
Why would you ask for the CS to make you invader bobbins and hex screws hoping it sounds like a hot rail when you can just ask them to make you a pickup that sounds like a hot rail and skip the guess work?
Re: HotRails fullsized???
I placed the order today, you are right, it will look like a dime bucker ( I already said that in a previous post) These guys must not be reading my posts.LOL.
After speaking with Seymour, this is not the first time they have made a full-sized hotrails for someone. And all of the reviews have been positive.
I am very excited about this. A lot like the time I designed and had a custom tube amp built for me. YIPPEEEE:arms:
I placed the order today, you are right, it will look like a dime bucker ( I already said that in a previous post) These guys must not be reading my posts.LOL.
After speaking with Seymour, this is not the first time they have made a full-sized hotrails for someone. And all of the reviews have been positive.
I am very excited about this. A lot like the time I designed and had a custom tube amp built for me. YIPPEEEE:arms:
Re: HotRails fullsized???
well I got my CS Hotrails pickup today and wired it up and this is what I get…….WTF?????
here is a picture of the wireing, as straight forward as you can get , red & white wires soldered together,
green and bare to pot ground and black to hot. 1 volume thats it….Why does this sound like ass????
Did I get a defective CS Pickup ? I've never heard anything so terrible in my life.
http://youtu.be/04UM1q5yMPk
well I got my CS Hotrails pickup today and wired it up and this is what I get…….WTF?????
here is a picture of the wireing, as straight forward as you can get , red & white wires soldered together,
green and bare to pot ground and black to hot. 1 volume thats it….Why does this sound like ass????
Did I get a defective CS Pickup ? I've never heard anything so terrible in my life.
http://youtu.be/04UM1q5yMPk
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Gibson 1964
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
Red and white are not taped off and are touching what looks like shielding paint to me. If that is the case, you are essentially splitting it.
Red and white are not taped off and are touching what looks like shielding paint to me. If that is the case, you are essentially splitting it.
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EDX
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
it sounds like that because the soldering of the white and red isn't isolated, you need to wrap it with electrical tape, if not, it will make contac with the cavity ground, grounding the lead from one of the coils, in simplier words, if you don't isolate that soldering your pickup will run in split mode instead of full humbucker
it sounds like that because the soldering of the white and red isn't isolated, you need to wrap it with electrical tape, if not, it will make contac with the cavity ground, grounding the lead from one of the coils, in simplier words, if you don't isolate that soldering your pickup will run in split mode instead of full humbucker
Re: HotRails fullsized???
Thanks for chiming in. I have taped back the red and white and still the same results. (The first photo was to show that they are connected together.)
this is frustrating, I've wired several SD pickups this way before and never had this problem.
Should the red and white wires be soldered together??? that is what I did. and taped them back.
Thanks for chiming in. I have taped back the red and white and still the same results. (The first photo was to show that they are connected together.)
this is frustrating, I've wired several SD pickups this way before and never had this problem.
Should the red and white wires be soldered together??? that is what I did. and taped them back.
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Gibson 1964
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Re: HotRails fullsized???
Could it happen? Yes. I would suggest that wiring issues or damaged pot is far more likely.
Could it happen? Yes. I would suggest that wiring issues or damaged pot is far more likely.
Re: HotRails fullsized???
Clipped all wires back, started from scratch, soldered to a new volume pot, and the same damn thing.
Pulled this one out and wired the old pickup back up and it works just fine. Like I said it doesn't get any
simpler wiring then this, there is no other explanation other than this pickup was wound wrong or is defective in some way.
I officially give up, this thing is going back, to say I'm disappointed is a understatement.
I sure hope the Seymour Duncan Custom Shop will honor a return.
Clipped all wires back, started from scratch, soldered to a new volume pot, and the same damn thing.
Pulled this one out and wired the old pickup back up and it works just fine. Like I said it doesn't get any
simpler wiring then this, there is no other explanation other than this pickup was wound wrong or is defective in some way.
I officially give up, this thing is going back, to say I'm disappointed is a understatement.
I sure hope the Seymour Duncan Custom Shop will honor a return.
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