houses of the holy

[lNllClK]

Re: houses of the holy

Well, when did he start using what's now known as the "Jimmy Page wiring"? I'm still not real clear on what all the tonal options are with that, but I'd assume he was using it by Houses.

Ocean definitely sounds like some sort of phased humbucker on the main riff, with a singled Tele for the solo?


Then again, he was a studio wiz at a young age, so he had a bag of tricks when he stepped into the Yardbirds.

I imagine if Jimmy Page and Les Paul ever put their heads together, we'd be multi-tracking in a glass of water and getting the best amp tones out of a potato and a can of soda.

they say yes he used that wiring after zeppelin, but it doesnt mean he didn't try to flip the magnet in the neck. as far as I can tell he had a lot of respect for peter green. Definitely gets some super honky sounds from early live stuff (RAH) up to that time. I think it can get close with the pickups blended and the tone knobs tweaked. it's like asking how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. the world may never know...

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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I saw in It Might Get Loud that he was using an early version of Dallas Arbiter's pedals, or at least the fuzz, way back when, so it's also possible he had some other custom work from him. The opening riff in Houses sounds like a mic in a soup can, or what Digitech now call the Gonkulator.
Knowing Page, it coulda been a mic in a soup can back then.

 

[dystrust]

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The "Jimmy Page Wiring" came about AFTER Zeppelin.

It seems, through all of my research, that it was never used on any LZ album

I haven't seen any credible evidence that Pagey ever used that wiring scheme; it seems like something Gibson came up with for the mid-90s Page signature.

AFAIK Houses of the Holy was recorded with his #1 Les Paul and a late 50s Strat for the most part. He acquired a 2nd Les Paul in '75 and added a phase switch to the underside of the pickguard in the early 80s. This may have been the inspiration for the extended wiring scheme.

Regarding B-benders, he got the Tele in the late 70s and used it on In Through the Out Door. I'm not aware of any earlier recordings with it. He didn't get the B-bender LP until the early to mid 80s.

 

[Agileguy_101]

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I haven't seen any credible evidence that Pagey ever used that wiring scheme; it seems like something Gibson came up with for the mid-90s Page signature.

Listen to the variety of tones he gets on How the West Was Won. To me, that sounds like it's got more going on that the standard LP.

 

[lNllClK]

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Listen to the variety of tones he gets on How the West Was Won. To me, that sounds like it's got more going on that the standard LP.

which tones? lot of interesting stuff in heartbreaker... i think most of the weird honk and thin sounds can be gotten with both humbuckers and messing with the volume and tone knob as mentioned before... page was always messing with the knobs, i've never seen any pots pulled out or any magic buttons pressed in live shows after 72, year of the LA forum show on htwww. I think people underestimate his ability to get many sounds just by knob manipulation and his fingers and pick, people can't fathom it today in the world of effects and magic guitar wiring, but i think that's why he remains one of the guitar gods to this day.

 

[ericmeyer4]

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which tones? lot of interesting stuff in heartbreaker... i think most of the weird honk and thin sounds can be gotten with both humbuckers and messing with the volume and tone knob as mentioned before... page was always messing with the knobs, i've never seen any pots pulled out or any magic buttons pressed in live shows after 72, year of the LA forum show on htwww. I think people underestimate his ability to get many sounds just by knob manipulation and his fingers and pick, people can't fathom it today in the world of effects and magic guitar wiring, but i think that's why he remains one of the guitar gods to this day.

IIRC Page used switches hidden under the pickguard to control his wiring. So you shouldn't have seen pulled pots :usa1: But, whether or not the wiring was in place at that time is debatable.

 

[astrozombie]

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how can you be sure of anything so hidden?

 

[ericmeyer4]

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how can you be sure of anything so hidden?

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: houses of the holy

Screw-counting freaks can spot when someone's spending too much time around the bottom edge of a Les Paul pickguard :lol:

 

[lNllClK]

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Screw-counting freaks can spot when someone's spending too much time around the bottom edge of a Les Paul pickguard :lol:

pickup selector switch is what i am moreso. hehe. never seen him messing around under there though no, and those buttons are under his number 2's pickguard yes... but i find he gets similar sounds in RAH performance and he only had the number one at that point.

 

[guitarzinc10]

Re: houses of the holy

Watch "The Song Remains The Same" very closely and you will see JP push and pull on the pots getting all those tones from the secret wiring.

 

[Boogie Bill]

Re: houses of the holy

A man of good taste. Most local blues-classic rock bands down here mindlessly play SRV and Allman Brothers songs, but I've never heard any of them do any early Zeppelin. What's up with that?

Heart usually does a few LZ songs in their concerts. Ann and Nancy are both big Zep fans.

Bill

 

[astrozombie]

Re: houses of the holy

I don't think Les Paul played on any of their records. He was too busy doing his own thing.

I think the thread deserves to be closed after this.

 

[astrozombie]

Re: houses of the holy

Screw-counting freaks can spot when someone's spending too much time around the bottom edge of a Les Paul pickguard :lol:

hahahahahahah

 

[Great_Kazoo]

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This pickup button selection scheme was incorporated into the Gibson Custom Shop Jimmy Page “Number Two”
Les Paul--their site gives these descriptions:

JP's original #2:
"Page designed a switching system for coil splitting, series/parallel, and phase-reverse options for both pickups,
and employed a skilled electronics technician to devise a working schematic and make his sonic vision a reality.
The result comprised a push/pull pot on each of the guitar’s four standard controls, plus two push-button switches
hidden beneath the pickguard, all mounted on a ’59 Les Paul Standard that is otherwise a superb example of the
breed, both in tone and playability."

On the Custom Shop Model (only 325 made): "...each of the controls’ potentiometers has been replaced with a
push-pull pot for individual pickup switching functions, while two miniature push-pull DPDT switches have been
mounted under the pickguard to provide additional universal switching functions."

Source LINK

 

[ericmeyer4]

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