How come P90 pickups aren’t as popular as Fender style single coils and humbuckers?

It's clearly the oddball size that limits them.

You have to commit to a guitar that is routed for them. Most don't want to make that leap/investment when:

1. The paf was made to sound like a hum free p90

2. Most strat players can get a pickguard to change between buckers and singles.

3. There are tons more himbucker and single coil choices than p90s. Heck, there are almost as many hbsized p90s as well!
 
There is a guitar hero in Japan who has played mostly P90s for around 30 years. He is Sugizo from "Luna Sea" and "X japan". It gives something like a violin tone, but probably not very high gain. His ESP signature guitars all have Duncan SP90s, but there's no way to know if that is what he plays in the live shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3B16k5JdHI&t=114s
 
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I don't dislike p90's, I just don't love 'm either. They're not as sparkly, chimey or twangy as a singlecoil, not as beefy as a humbucker but noisier than both.
 
They're pretty popular. Guitarist at a show I went to @ Red Rocks on Tuesday had them.

I think tone nerds like them, but for anybody else they're a hassle. They look weird. They're hard to adjust. There aren't many aftermarket swap options. They don't fit in many pickguards or cavity routes. They hum. They're the first pickup design and mannnny designs have come later.

There's a lot of internet-based mystique around them. Whatever gets you that mojo right?! But honestly for me slightly overwound single coils cranked up to the strings do a great job at what people like P90s for and if I want a fatter sound I either EQ it in or reach for a humbucker guitar. With 50s wiring and/or treble bleed you can get a huge range of tones out of standard humbuckers.
 
It's primarily the hum, I think. They're heavier winds than most Fender singles so the noise is significant.
And they don't have the sparkle of a narrower single (or as mentioned above, the bite of a Firebird rail pickup).

For decades, P90s were considered sort of obsolete and inferior to humbuckers.
As rigs evolved and gain levels increased exponentially, noise became an even more critical issue.
With more flavors of humbucker available, even longtime P90 fans like Leslie West switched away from them.

At the same time, they began to see renewed interest precisely because they have a different sound of their own.
Some love having fast singlecoil attack in something fatter and a tad smoother than traditional Strat or Tele singlecoils.

Other pickup types in that middle ground have seen a big resurgence in the 21st century too.
Overwound Strat pickups have become hugely popular, especially for bridge position. (Understandably, IMO.)
Minihums are making a comeback among rockers, and Jazzmasters are becoming more popular too.
Today, more players relish a sound that isn't quite so mainstream as a straight humbucker or a Strat pickup.

I love P90 tone myself, despite the noise issue. Particularly in neck position, paired with a humbucker or Tele bridge pickup.
Still, there's nothing quite like the bark & growl of a good P90 in bridge position. Wonderful and vintagey.
It also seems as if these days more and more people are hip to the fact that hotter isn't always better.
Especially relevant to P90s because of the noise factor.

Noiseless versions are continuing to evolve, too: I have a pretty good set of noiseless P90s that Kent Armstrong made.
They're 90% there - recognizably P90 tone, just a tad more polite than the real thing.
Recently learned that hum-sized P90s are better-shielded than traditional ones; for me that makes them well worth trying.

From your experience do P90s hum alot more then strat single coils or just a little more?
 
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Because EVH put a PAF in the bridge, not a P90.

And people buy what their heroes use.

These are the most correct answers. If EVH, Yngwie, Clapton, or Page used P90s they would be in every model as an option. Page played a P90 Les Paul for a short amount of time as a backup on the first US tour. Thre are few pictures of him playing it.t Clapton wanted to replicate Freddie King's sound when he bought Beano and acquired the humbucker-equipped Les Paul, unaware of the difference between humbuckers and P90s at the time. He later checked out P90s and found he didn't like them.

If guitar players felt that P90s were a legendary guitarist's secret sauce, we would all be playing them.
 
P90s are very middle of the road. Too low output for heavier genres, too fat for the sparklier genres.
 
After years of haggling over it, i decided on a P-Rails as neck in a Les Paul. With a Triple Shot it give me even some more useful tones besides the P90. Glad idid that.
 
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P90s are very popular for punk guitarists. Noise is probably not the biggest issue due to their straightforward signal chains. And once again, a bunch of the founding Fathers of punk used Les Paul Jrs with P90s, people use what their heroes use.
 
The question wasn't for me but... IME, P90's hum more than most Strat single coils. Reasons: more turns, wider coil area.

Now, a 13 or 14k Strat single coil can be as noisy as a P90...

Yeah, a single coil that has high output would hum as much as a regular P90, although the 'high end of the hum' might not be as noticeable. People who really dig P90s are not generally bothered much by hum, though (same as people who are super into Strat pickups). If you are regularly a humbucker player, the hum of a P90 might be unbearable.
 
The question wasn't for me but... IME, P90's hum more than most Strat single coils. Reasons: more turns, wider coil area.

Now, a 13 or 14k Strat single coil can be as noisy as a P90...

Just wondering, does "IME" mean *In my experience*? I not good with abbreviations lol
 
Just wondering, does "IME" mean *In my experience*? I not good with abbreviations lol

Yep, "IME" = in my experience....

But you can decipher it as meaning "in my experiments": I'm the kind of old geek having done lab tests about the noise floor of P90's. ;-)
 
i love a good p90 guitar, my biggest gear regret is selling an all gold r6. i think strat single coils and humbuckers are so ubiquitous due to the companies themselves pushing those form factors for so long, and other instrument manufacturers following suit. ibanez for example, almost all their guitars use strat style singles and/or buckers
 
i love a good p90 guitar, my biggest gear regret is selling an all gold r6. i think strat single coils and humbuckers are so ubiquitous due to the companies themselves pushing those form factors for so long, and other instrument manufacturers following suit. ibanez for example, almost all their guitars use strat style singles and/or buckers

I don't think I ever saw a Ibanez guitar with P90s
 
Ibanez has done a few P90 models over the years. Some of the old 90s Talmans had them, and I think Yvette Young's probably going to do one for her Talman - she's been playing some protos recently.

There was also the JS700, which is Joe's take on a LP Special; and various models from other lines had them - Darkstone; Roadcores; Ghost Rider.

Kinda curious about this Iceman, wonder if it's LACS or Sugi..
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that iceman is sweeet! but again, its a rarity. i never said they didnt make p90 guitars, just its not very common
 
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