How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

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I apologise, but I haven't heard the word "sussinct" before.

Allow me to define. "Sussinct" is the past tense of raising the third to the fourth degree of a sink. It typically will have preceded resolution to a major sink.
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

Allow me to define. "Sussinct" is the past tense of raising the third to the fourth degree of a sink. It typically will have preceded resolution to a major sink.

What he said. ^^^^^^^^

And to answer the question posed a few posts back: "No".
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

Just one more bit of technical bull pucky to obsess over that won't get you any closer to the goal. The "real" limiting factor is the musician, and nothing else. In order to sound like someone, you need to write parts like them and play like them – to "think" like them, really...and that is impossible. No matter what equipment is used, that guitar player you are trying to copy will always sound like that guitar player. And no matter how exactly you copy someone's technical specs, or how close you get to nailing their tone, you will simply not sound like him/her...because you aren't. Find your own style and your own tone...or why even bother playing at all? I don't get it.
 
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I haven't found anyone I want to sound like. I like SRV's tones for what he did, Jeff Beck's for what he does, and Mark Knopfler's for what he does, but none of those tones will work perfectly for whatever it is that I'm trying to do.
 
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On a lot of records, the guitar mix contains mixes of different amps and guitars. I've read an interview with Andreas Kisser once stating that on the Roots album they used anything from Marshall to Mesa to those little cigarette box amps to cover the whole sonic spectrum.
Take that with mic placement, the room it's recorded in and the little quirks the player in question has, strings, picks, etc. and it'll be a pretty daunting task getting it spot on.

Because of all this, you'll might even get closer by actually not using the same gear as the person you're trying to emulate.
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

On a lot of records, the guitar mix contains mixes of different amps and guitars. I've read an interview with Andreas Kisser once stating that on the Roots album they used anything from Marshall to Mesa to those little cigarette box amps to cover the whole sonic spectrum.
Take that with mic placement, the room it's recorded in and the little quirks the player in question has, strings, picks, etc. and it'll be a pretty daunting task getting it spot on.

Because of all this, you might even get closer by actually not using the same gear as the person you're trying to emulate.

You know what? You're right.
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

If you build a guitar from a collection of parts, it's basically a recipe, just like cooking food. The final flavour(s) are the results of all the ingredients. In music, the guitar tones we hear when listening to CDs, MP3s, cassette tapes, vinyl records etc. are the results of complex recipes that involve everything from the components of the instrument right through to the microphone and it's placement, and then all the gear that the mic signal passes through (and the settings used) all the way through to the final recorded medium, and then to all the elements of the audio reproduction systems that we use to listen, and even the acoustics of the listening environment. Every aspect plays a part, some more than others, but they all contribute to what we eventually hear.

Having said that, I grew up in the dark old days when we listened to Hendrix and Cream (et al) on vinyl discs. Despite the recording options being different and more primitive back then, it was always possible to identify (for example) Richie Blackmore, Jimi, Clapton, Gallagher, B.B. King, J Page, Beck and all the other big names from that era. You could play the records on various record players in various stereo (or even mono) systems in various acoustic settings, and still immediately recognise the players, despite the sonic variations in the recorded reproduction of the performances.

Why was that ? Methinks it's because the good and great players had signature styles that transcended the effects of gear and the recording processes. They had created their own individual voices to such a degree that no amount of electronic manipulation could bury their signature styles. Yes, one can chase someone else's sounds by trying to emulate them via equipment, and sometimes people can get close. But ...

a) You go into a studio and record using your personal hero's guitar, pedals and amps AND recording settings, mics etc. But you probably won't sound like your hero.

b) Your guitar hero comes to your house or recording session and uses all of your gear, none of which he or she is familiar with. Guess what ? Most likely, they will probably still sound like themself, they will still be recogniseable by their playing style.

I do think mic placement in recording is a very important detail and can have great effect on the recorded sound. But i also feel it needs to be kept in context of the whole big sonic picture.
 
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Absolutely. Personally I feel like trying to sound like your hero through gear is a waste of the time you could be using to practice his/her style. When I was younger I was poor and obsessed with Gilmour. So instead of buying stuff, I practiced. Now I can sound like him, if I want to, through pretty much any gear.

However, it's still sometimes fun to chase someone's sound - completely separately from their tone/feel/mojo/whatever. Sometimes because I'd like to see what happens if I play like me through that setup, or sometimes because (eg like me with Gilmour) you already have the technique and would like the last piece of the puzzle.

When I first got my Kemper, I had great fun for a couple of hours dialling in spot-on Gilmour tones and putting out pretty accurate solos.

And then I set about dialling in my own tones, the ones that sound like me. That's where the real fun is.
 
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^^ Crusty has a great point....I always think of that great story where Ted Nugent played EVH's full rig, only to discover he sounded exactly like himself through it.

Truly, the best way to sound like your heroes is to put on a record of theirs and sit back and listen.
The best way to sound good yourself is to assimilate as much different technique you can and make it into your own voice - whatever that might be.
 
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Guys, I just looked it up and I'm too old to be a millennial. I am, in fact, a member of Generation X. I'm not sure if I just got cleverer or more stupid.
 
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This is why I stopped bothering with studio tones long ago. I appreciate them of course, but all I am concerned with is if the gear gives up the tone goods in the rom. Probably why I can never gel with modellers, new , old, cheap or god awful expensive.
 
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Wait, I'm a millennial? ****.

cg
 
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^^ Crusty has a great point....I always think of that great story where Ted Nugent played EVH's full rig, only to discover he sounded exactly like himself through it.

Truly, the best way to sound like your heroes is to put on a record of theirs and sit back and listen.
The best way to sound good yourself is to assimilate as much different technique you can and make it into your own voice - whatever that might be.

I'd heard that was Jerry Cantrell playing EVH's guitar through his rig during a soundcheck when AIC & VH toured together in maybe '92
 
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Jerry may well have done this too, but the story I referenced was told by EVH and he certainly mentioned Ted. I think it was back in VH's early days when nobody could understand how much saturation Ed got and everybody was obsessed with the brown sound
 
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To hell with mic placement, how easily you forget Persian rug placement. Not to mention color and pattern. Duh.
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

Jerry may well have done this too, but the story I referenced was told by EVH and he certainly mentioned Ted. I think it was back in VH's early days when nobody could understand how much saturation Ed got and everybody was obsessed with the brown sound

I came across that story while looking at other VH info today... They traded guitars, sounded like themselves, and Ted was a bit pissed about it. (at least according to Eddie). The story I originally shared was from a Jerry Cantrell interview in '93 or so.
 
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To hell with mic placement, how easily you forget Persian rug placement. Not to mention color and pattern. Duh.

You forgot mind placement, man. You got to be in 'the zone.' :smokin:
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

Absolutely. Personally I feel like trying to sound like your hero through gear is a waste of the time you could be using to practice his/her style. When I was younger I was poor and obsessed with Gilmour. So instead of buying stuff, I practiced. Now I can sound like him, if I want to, through pretty much any gear.

However, it's still sometimes fun to chase someone's sound - completely separately from their tone/feel/mojo/whatever. Sometimes because I'd like to see what happens if I play like me through that setup, or sometimes because (eg like me with Gilmour) you already have the technique and would like the last piece of the puzzle.

When I first got my Kemper, I had great fun for a couple of hours dialling in spot-on Gilmour tones and putting out pretty accurate solos.

And then I set about dialling in my own tones, the ones that sound like me. That's where the real fun is.

Do you need to use some sort of power amp when you use a Kemper?
 
Re: How Do I Get [Guitarist's Name Here]'s Tone on [Record Title Here]?

Yes. Some Kempers have one built in, otherwise just any full range power amp will do.
 
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