How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

[faisal]

I have a Parker Nitefly M and i have been always had tuning issues with it. Its hard to tune it but once its done it stays in tune.

Today i saw a youtube vid and it said that with lokcing tuners u pull the string tightly through teh hole and then lock the tuner. Therefore no need to wind the string around as with traditional tuners . Is that correct ?

Ive been stringing the traditional way.
What is the correct way to use these locking tuners ?

Thanks

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

Most tuning issues are the result of the intonation being slightly off, or nut slots that are cut too high or don't allow the string to freely slide through it. Check that before assuming it's the tuners......especially since you have very good locking tuners.

As for stringing it up, the string shouldn't wind more than once around the post, unlike non-locking tuners. Ideally, about 1/4 to 1/2 around the post.
That way, using a trem won't allow the wind to loosen. That's why Sperzels are more stable....the windings don't loosen when you dive the trem.

 

[SabbathFan0220]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

^ +1 to all of that

 

[faisal]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

Great, thanks.
I'll follow that from now.
Cheers.

 

[astrozombie]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

This is what I do with my Schallers is:

1. put the string through the tuner with it unlocked.

2. Grab the string and lift the guitar by that string until the guitar is floating in mid air. This help with keeping your potential wrap to a minimum.

3. lock it down and then tune to pitch.

4. Stretch strings and repeat steps 3 and 4 until you have stability.

Stretch them but don't stretch them super hard. The worse strings are low E and A... keep it up and you'll be fine.

seriously?

There seems to be a method to stringing up so that each string has the same amount of wind. there is a tad, not much, but a tiny bit...


from fender

TUNING KEYS

How you wind the strings onto the pegs is very important, whether you're using locking, standard or vintage tuning keys. Start by loading all the strings through the bridge and then loading them onto the keys as follows:

Locking tuning keys. Picture the headcap of the neck as the face of a clock, with the top being 12:00 and the nut being 6:00. Line the six tuning machines so that the first string keyhole is set at 1:00, the second at 2:00, the third and fourth at 3:00, the fifth at 4:00, and the sixth at 5:00. Pull the strings through tautly and tighten the thumb wheel, locking the string in. Now tune to pitch.

 

[Brown Note]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

seriously?

Yup, the strings have tension of about 4-6kg(that's roughly 9-13lbs) and guitars weigh usually a tad less. Thus when you lift the guitar, it's weight actually allows for a quite nice starting tension for the strings. After that, only a little bit of fine tuning is required to make the guitar play in tune. The less there is string wrapping, the less it will move and the more stable the tuning will be.

The ultimate stability would result from a string through locking tom bridge with LSR tuners. Guitar with those is likely to never go out of tune! Regular tuners won't come even close as the tuners will turn when the guitar is laid on the bed or floor or touched by accident.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

I have a Nitefly too. I used to have the same problem. Is your bridge set to full float? That'll be a big part of getting it in tune. I set mine to down only and it's much easier to tune up.

 

[uOpt]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

If your guitar goes out of tune constantly without you doing anything it doesn't have anything to do with the tuners.

The locking tuners will help stay better in tune if you do things like use a trem, bend the neck etc.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

Most tuning issues are the result of the intonation being slightly off, or nut slots that are cut too high or don't allow the string to freely slide through it. Check that before assuming it's the tuners......especially since you have very good locking tuners.

As for stringing it up, the string shouldn't wind more than once around the post, unlike non-locking tuners. Ideally, about 1/4 to 1/2 around the post.
That way, using a trem won't allow the wind to loosen. That's why Sperzels are more stable....the windings don't loosen when you dive the trem.

Agree with all of this. I have Sperzels on one of my Strats, and it's maybe a teeny bit more stable than the other guitars, but not by a whole lot. Honestly, my Fenders with vintage-style tuners are very stable as well.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

The thing I love most about locking type tuners is the ease of restringing. However, this doesn't apply to all locking tuners - IIRC, PRS Phase II tuners need something like a coin to lock/unlock, and I think there are a few others like that.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

they're not complicated at all. i just pull them through as tightly as possible and lock them down...if i turn the tuning pegs a specific direction i have the hole facing the nut so i can pull the string straight through. If you pulled it tight enough you'll get about half a wrap and be in tune.

 

[Brow]

Re: How do Sperzel locking tuners work ??

The thing I love most about locking type tuners is the ease of restringing. However, this doesn't apply to all locking tuners - IIRC, PRS Phase II tuners need something like a coin to lock/unlock, and I think there are a few others like that.

+1 to this!

I have 2 guitars with lockign tuners of this style on and I'm thinking of replacing them just because I find them too much of a pain to use! :banghead: