how many watts for vocals?

Re: how many watts for vocals?

We run my 100 watt Sun mixer into 2 JBL 12in cabs for rehearsal. We usually get in pretty tight when we practice so 100 watts is plenty. If you like to space things out a bit maybe go for 200 or 300 watts.
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

There seems to be a lot of opinions on this. Some based on fact and some not, some on experience and some not.

I did have a sound reinforcement company for a while so I will only speak from experience. I also did some install work on rehearsal studios.

The first thing to ask is how much money you have?

The second is can you figure out how to use the equipment correctly?

The difficult part of a sound system for rehearsal is the same problem as a monitor system. It's feedback.........since the mic is pointing at the speaker. That limits the amount of gain you can use, thus limiting the overall output.

That's why it's important to base your system on power and not gain.

Whatever you decide on I would suggest looking into a feedback suppressor and a compressor. I would recommend the DBX 166 compressor or for less money the 266, they are the best for the buck. As for the suppressor/eliminator DBX, Sabine and even the Behringer are OK. Again it's how much you want to spend.

By using those 2 pieces of equipment you can get the most gain and control of your system making it more efficient. The compressor will also protect your speakers and fatten up the overall sound.

I would also recommend a simple inexpensive reverb unless it's already in the board.

Also some type of EQ is absolutely essential. The feedback suppressor and compressor will allow you to EQ the room more as opposed to the Mic/vocals.

The more bands the better, but I would rather have a good stereo 15 band than a cheap 31 band. Rane, DBX, Furman and a few others. Unless it's already in the board. You can also use a parametric to really close in on the problem frequencies but that's overkill for your needs.

Stay away from the inexpensive stuff, they just do not work well and can cause other sonic problems. It's the weakest link thing......great system, one crappy component ruining the whole system.

I like some of the Mackie stuff and Yorkville. You can either have a powered mixer or powered speakers. I would rather use the powered speakers.

And whatever you decide use good quality cables, again it's the weakest link and makes a big difference.

If you want more help contact me and I would be glad to work out the details so you do not waste money and get the biggest bang for your buck. There is no problem buying certain things used if you know what you are doing. Most good power amps are indestructible and those older one's from Crest and Crown can be had cheaply.
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

I dunno...probably a stereo amp with 100 or 200 watts per side would be more than enough for rehearsal.

When I saw the Paul Butterfield Band in 1966 or 67 they had no PA...Paul sang and played harp through a Fender Twin Reverb.

They were loud too!

Lew
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

Your ears are much better now Lew. If you saw a band do that now you would cringe.
 
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BigDaddy said:
Your ears are much better now Lew. If you saw a band do that now you would cringe.

Yeah...I was in high school back then and the Butterfield Band was the first truly great band I ever saw live. Much better than the Blues Magoos, the Lovin Spoonful and Johnny Rivers...the best bands I'd seen up until seeing Butterfield!

(Wait a minute...I also saw the Beatles first! At the Olympia where the Detroit Red Wings played hockey. But I only saw the Beatles...couldn't hear a thing with all the girls screaming. They sang through the Olympia PA system which was just some PA horns way up in the ceiling and was never meant for music...just for announcing Gordie Howe and the boys! :laugh2: Paul Butterfield through a Twin sounded better. :laugh2: )

At 56, my ears are pretty shot now though...although my tastes have become more refined. :) I dunno that I'd cringe hearing Paul Butterfield wailing through a blackface Twin Reverb though...I'd jump at the chance if he was still around. They were great! :)
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

QSC or Crown Power amp

Min 500w, while 1200 - 1400 would make it very nice and clean.

You always want tons of clarity and headroom. Vocals are the FIRST thing to get buried.

Also keep in mind, MONITORS are incredibly important if you want your singer dead on!

What size places?
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

flank

bigdaddy had great advice - follow most of it if you can (i dont think EQ is necessary for rehearsal - plus most folks don't kow how to EQ a room anyway - but thats just me)

your powerblock (bridged mono) thru a PA cab will do you just fine to get started ... just make sure that the speaker is not behind the mic (feedback) ... if it still isnt loud enough you can always turn the other stuff down - make the drummer hit softer ... probably good for your music and definitely good for your ears
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

EQ is essential, no question on that. It allows the most gain before feedback.
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

all you need is this, just put it into ebay:

JBL G2 Eon 15

it is 150 watts rms, 400 watts max (it has an amp built in)

it is super portable

just get 1 speaker

it is awesome, if you need it loud, put it on a speaker tripod so it is level to your head, otherwise just put it on the floor as a monitor

this thing is loud, and super clear!
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

I've found that when you have enough power to "just be heard," you need a lot more. Vocals, in my experience, require quite a bit of concentration, and when one is straining to hear themselves clearly, the singing goes downhill. It never hurts to have too much. You can't turn up what you don't have.
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

i know about dialing the vocals in and all, and i have a mixer, compressor, and reverb/delay unit. Our current rehearsal space has 2 Crown power amps for the vocals which is fine. but like i said, we need to set up another space for rehearsal, so i was wondering what is the least i can get by with for the new place.
 
Re: how many watts for vocals?

I have a 600w Crate 6 channel PA thingy. Or maybe it's 300w. Anyway, it's running through 2 1x15+horn cabs. Plenty for any rehearsal application and it's held it's own on several gigs.

I got it for like $200 around 10 years ago and it's great. I don't see anything quite like it in Crate's current catalog.
 
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