how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

[kelvin]

most of the solo that i want to learn,
are very fast and no tabs avaiable.
because they are either not popular, or no one can tab it out.

this is very annoying for me!

for example, i want to learn this,
by using my ears to find out the notes from this clip :
http://home.broadpark.no/~kinpingc/ho.mp3

but it seems impossible!
even when i have slowed it down with a pc software.


my second question is:
how do i find out what type of the notes they are by ear?
for example, i hear most of this lick by ear :
http://home.broadpark.no/~kinpingc/d19b.mp3
but i don't know what type of notes it has been used.
16.th? with triplets? what note lands on the beginning of each beat?
in other words, i can't tab it out!

that's why i got nothing to play and i'am stuck with my guitar playing

can someone help?:smack:

 

[nuntius]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

If you use winamp, check out this plugin http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=12689

It will let you slow down/speed up a track, as well as change the pitch

 

[Osensei]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

Play your own solo and let others try to figure out what notes you are playing.

When I was a teen I used to learn solos note for note. It never taught me anything other than how to copy solos! That being said, it's ok to know what your favorite players have played solowise if your goal is analysis. But copying a solo just for the sake of sounding cool is fruitless.

Frank Zappa once quoted a ficticious dog in one of his songs as saying. "The crusk of the biscuit is the apostrophy". The apostrophy being the punctuation mark signifying ownership. In other words what's important about a thing is who owns it! LOL!

There is no house like your house! There is no car like your car! There is no sound like your sound!

 

[nuntius]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

When I was a teen I used to learn solos note for note. It never taught me anything other than how to copy solos! That being said, it's ok to know what your favorite players have played solowise if your goal is analysis. But copying a solo just for the sake of sounding cool is fruitless.

Actually, I've learned a couple of solos note for note in recent months. I used to be against learning note for note, but there are several reasons as to why it's a good idea to practice doing so -

• It helps you learn how to play what you hear. This is important, because if you have an idea in your head you have to know how to put it down on the fretboard. Learning how to play other guitarist's solos by listening to them will help you learn how intervals sound and how to translate them on to the fretboard.

• It will also help you expand you own 'musical dictionary'. Countless times I've listened to a new guitarist and heard them do something I'd never thought of before... This can be anything, a technique, a chord, or as simple as how three notes sound when strung together.

• Furthermore, playing along to CDs of your favourite bands can be fun. I'm a musician because I enjoy it, and I write a lot of orignal material; far more than I post on the internet. However I'll admit that some days I just don't have any decent ideas, and I feel like I'm stuck in a rut. When I feel like that, I pick a CD by a band I like and play along just for fun.

All IMO, of course

 

[Zerberus]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

If you use winamp, check out this plugin http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=12689

It will let you slow down/speed up a track, as well as change the pitch

I would use this one: http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=130624

I had major crashing issues with Pacemaker

 

[nuntius]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

I would use this one: http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=130624

I had major crashing issues with Pacemaker

Which version of winamp are you using? I'm using 5.24, with Pace Maker version 1.32 and I've never had any issues at all

 

[Nightrunner]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

most of the solo that i want to learn,
are very fast and no tabs avaiable.
because they are either not popular, or no one can tab it out.

this is very annoying for me!

for example, i want to learn this,
by using my ears to find out the notes from this clip :
http://home.broadpark.no/~kinpingc/ho.mp3

but it seems impossible!
even when i have slowed it down with a pc software.


my second question is:
how do i find out what type of the notes they are by ear?
for example, i hear most of this lick by ear :
http://home.broadpark.no/~kinpingc/d19b.mp3
but i don't know what type of notes it has been used.
16.th? with triplets? what note lands on the beginning of each beat?
in other words, i can't tab it out!

that's why i got nothing to play and i'am stuck with my guitar playing

can someone help?:smack:

For your first question, the suggestions to D/L that WinAmp plugin to slow stuff down sound good. I did that the new "ole fashioned" way in Sound Forge a few years back to learn Marty Friedman's 1st solo in "Holy Wars, the Punishment Due." Worked pretty well though I still couldn't play that solo well enough to win any awards!

For the second question, do some rhythm training. Start simple with quarter note figures in common (4/4) time. Then try dotted quarter w/ eighth notes, triplet feel, then move on to the eighth notes mixed with sixteenth notes, dotted eighth note/sixteenth note patterns & triplet eighth note patterns. Keep subdividing more & more and mixing up the note durations... as long as they all add up to the correct number of beats by the return of the downbeat, you're golden!

Making yourself a whole sheet of different beat groupings in different time signatures is a great way to practice! I wouldn't necessarily suggest writing music that uses some of the lopsided, strange sounding rhythm patterns you'll create to practice with, but they will help you understand rhythms better & then you'll be able to know what those 208 tempo runs with 8th note sextuplets mixed with occasional groupings of blistering sixteenth notes sound like.

Don't forget to practice 2/4, 3/4, 6/8, 9/8 (kinda rare, but you never know) and 12/8 too! They all feel different. Some similarities, but different. :eek13:


That's about all I can say... I started that training in the fifth grade through my orchestral studies, so I tend to forget about that learning process sometimes. Start now & you'll be taking apart the craziest solos in no time!


--Nightrunner

 

[kelvin]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

If you use winamp, check out this plugin http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=12689

It will let you slow down/speed up a track, as well as change the pitch

hi..
thank you.
i already have a similar software that does the pretty same thing.
it's named jet-audio :laugh2:

 

[kelvin]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

Play your own solo and let others try to figure out what notes you are playing.

hm..yeah you got a point there.
but i want to find out what others are playing.
so i can get some concepts and ideas before i create my own stuffs. :amish:

 

[kelvin]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

Don't forget to practice 2/4, 3/4, 6/8, 9/8 (kinda rare, but you never know) and 12/8 too! They all feel different. Some similarities, but different. :eek13:


That's about all I can say... I started that training in the fifth grade through my orchestral studies, so I tend to forget about that learning process sometimes. Start now & you'll be taking apart the craziest solos in no time!


--Nightrunner

ok... thank you for your advice ...
i will try :smokin:

 

[Marinblues]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

Play your own solo and let others try to figure out what notes you are playing.

When I was a teen I used to learn solos note for note. It never taught me anything other than how to copy solos! That being said, it's ok to know what your favorite players have played solowise if your goal is analysis. But copying a solo just for the sake of sounding cool is fruitless.

Frank Zappa once quoted a ficticious dog in one of his songs as saying. "The crusk of the biscuit is the apostrophy". The apostrophy being the punctuation mark signifying ownership. In other words what's important about a thing is who owns it! LOL!

There is no house like your house! There is no car like your car! There is no sound like your sound!

I didn't really learn a lot of other people's solo. I was too lazy and found no incentive in doing so. Somehow, right from the begining, my idea of playing guitar was to have a unique voice like my "hero's" at the time. I didn't see a point in "singing someone elses words".

I did however try to understand what the heck the other guitarist where doing (harmonically and in terms of style), but any solo analisys would stop there.

Now, my objective is to express myself through musical iimprovisation (blues, jazz, rock) whilst it may not be the case for others. For example, I have friends who play classical music or shred rock and they know (or care) nothing about improvisation. Their objective is a faithfull replication of the original tune of their "hero's". I never understood their preference, but there you go...it's all fun and music either way!

I always tell them that use my CD player if I need to replicate my hero's solo and they get mad (only kidding)

 

[Zerberus]

Re: how to hear the notes from a fast solo?

Which version of winamp are you using? I'm using 5.24, with Pace Maker version 1.32 and I've never had any issues at all

Also 5.24, but I was using pacemaker with an earlier installation, so the issues may well have been rectified by either WA or PM updates