HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

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BachToRock, it's my turn to thank you for the great thread. I read it 2 times now, but some questions remain. Hope you're still reading it.

1) Has the 59/C5 hybrid more sizzle than a normal 59 in the bridge? It's important to me, because i hate sizzle and the 59 is perfect in that regard. I don't want to desintegrate 2 new Duncans in vein, they cost 110-150$ here in Germany.

2) What does the term "one-notey" describe? Somebody said normal humbuckers sound one-notey, mismatched don't sound one-notey. What i wouldn't like my humbucker to sound is like 2 detuned notes, so one-notey seems to be a good thing to me. Or is it?

I'm quite confused and cannot afford to burn money (i'm a freelancing music teacher), but of course i'm searching for the perfect tone like all the other guys and girls... :bigok:

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Sveto
 
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Yo! I was just rolling thru it this morning...those Blues trembucker hybrids look killer. Which one was found to be optimal in the bridge? Has anyone shot out the hybrids with the BroBucker yet? Any difference?
 
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anyone tried hybrid sh with tb spaced?
cause i had sh-1 and tb-11.
any opinion?
thx
 
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revolution said:
Yo! I was just rolling thru it this morning...those Blues trembucker hybrids look killer. Which one was found to be optimal in the bridge? Has anyone shot out the hybrids with the BroBucker yet? Any difference?
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I have 2 Brobuckers and they actually sound very similar to the 59/Custom Hybrid with an A2 magnet... just missing that magical openess of the Hybrid... it sound a bit congested in comparison...

I am soooo tempted to make a Brobucker/Custom Hybrid... sooo tempted!
 
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what about '78/custom hybrid? One quick question about this: in the 59/custom hybrid, which coil is the hotter coil (i.e. more copper), because I'm thinking about making the '78/custom, but I don't want the mismatch to be too great. Thanks again for this fantastic thread, and doubly so for the help.
 
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Wicked sweet. I'm going to do this on all my crap! I've got all kinds of pickups laying around doing nothing....
 
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I'm going for hybrid making pretty soon, but I have several questions, mostly to keep the number of pickups to buy for the "raw material" down:

1) do we know what wire the Full Shred uses? I can't figure out how it ends up between the Customs and the hot coils. Is it a unique coil? Or is the key in the different polepieces (sounds a little far-fetched).

Same for the Demon, what wire is it using? Overwound Jazz or underwound Custom?

2) Did anyone try to use a coil from a '59n for a 59/Custom hybrid for the bridge? I assume it gives me more hum at least, but I wonder about sound.
 
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demon uses 43 gauge, underwound custom like you said, I don't know what the full shred uses, but It's a pretty safe bet that it's either 43 or 44 (I don't know if anyone uses thinner than 44). I don't know about using a 59 neck coil for a bridge hybrid, but I don't think you'd notice too much difference than if you were to use a 59 bridge, but I'm not the expert, I haven't tried it myself (I used a 59 bridge when making the hybrid in my lester)
 
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Digging some more.

'59 resistance:
Neck: 7.43 k
Bridge: 8.13 k

So the neck is about 9% underwound. using junk mathematics you'd end up with a 4-5% underwind when using it in a bridge hybrid.

Jazz:
Neck: 7.72 k
Bridge: 7.9 k

Here the neck pickup is only underwound by 2%, so you get a bridgeable coil out of the neck humbucker. Question is whether a Jazz/Custom hybrid ends up being the real thing.

I still don't get all the PAF coil variants. The Jazz is obviously different from the '59 and even a magnet swap doesn't get it close to the APH (as posted before). So do APH and '59 share coils and the Jazz and Seth do? I'm overall not convinced that the Jazz isn't using awg43 in an underwound/undersized coil.

Hmmmm.
 
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From what I understand, it's all different winds (i.e. traverse, angle, scatter, etc.), but I really don't know for sure. I guess it's just different kinds of mojo
 
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I have a G&L Legacy HB guitar. It has a TB-4 in the bridge with two Alinco V single coils in the middle and neck. Would you use trembucker pickups for this application.If I decided to do custom V/59 hybrid and split the coils would you be useing the custom for the active pickup.Will the split custom V sound good along with the Alinco V single coils? If I caught the just of it you use the custom next to the bridge with the adjustable poles and the 59 on the neck side with the studs is this correct. Has anyone done this?
 
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Have been playing a Hybrid (thanks to this forum!!!) with an AII for the last couplke of months and really like it. Now, I wonder what it would sound like when using an A5 magnet in a Les Paul?

Thanks
 
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Sort of expensive, but what about a '78/PG hybrid. ;)
 
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So I've read through this thread today twice. I'm sitting here at work (we're SD dealers) and I have a Custom 5 and a 59b I'm wanting to do this to. I think it's been covered in this thread a couple of times and maybe I'm too dumb to figure it out, but I have a single conductor '59 and a 4 conductor C5. I am still confused where the coil tapping wires of the C5 are going to attach to the single conductor wires on the '59.

I have taken apart Duncans before to make myself double creams but that was easy as all the wires were matching between pickups.

Any way to make this wiring deal easier for me?
 
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Has anyone tried using the coil of a neck pickup with a coil of a bridge pickup? It wouldn't be as extreme as a PG/CC. The wire would be the same, just 500 ohm or so difference. If you used the Full Shreds or Distortions, the difference would be more like a PG/CC. ;)
 
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I want to do this hybrid mod with a 59/Custom 5. I have a Custom 5 right now but do not have a 59b to complete the mod with. So I was wondering if there was anyone out there that had a 59b and also wanted to do this hybrid and would like to split half of my C5 for half of your 59b. I figured to make things easy we'd just swap slug sides' and keep our own base plate, magnet and screw-side bobbins. You pay shipping to ship yours to me and I'll pay shipping to ship mine to you (we'll exchange tracking #'s to keep things safe). Any takers??
Thanks! Micah
 
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WGTP said:
Sort of expensive, but what about a '78/PG hybrid. ;)
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Probably be pretty much the same as what the 78 already is I would guess. Ive never tried a 78 (although I might like it) but the guy @ seymour duncan told me to try a PG when I asked him about the 78. He said they are very similar in tonality and if you dont like a PG, you can send it back. The custom shop pickups cannot be returned--not that they would be anyway after you remove a bobbin!! But reall, a 160 dollar pickup, plus a 59--70 bucks--thats allot!
 
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Ruben0910 said:
Have been playing a Hybrid (thanks to this forum!!!) with an AII for the last couplke of months and really like it. Now, I wonder what it would sound like when using an A5 magnet in a Les Paul?

Thanks
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All I can say is dipped mids!! the 59 has a B-M-T EQ of 6-3-8 and the Custom Custom bobbin with an A5 mag is essentially a Custom 5 pickup which has an EQ of 6-3-8. Thats the same exact resonant peak! A little higher output so it would have a little effect on it, but essentially your going to increase the bass and dip the mids from what you already have--you may want that?? But I think (and I havent tried this yet but I will as soon as I get a PG or 59) that the magical tone people are getting is the drastic contrast between the bobbins with the alnico 2 mag. Custom Custom looks like 3-7-7 and the 59 with an A2 mag is essentially a Pearly Gates which looks like 6-5-9. See the mid dip, bass and treble increase on the PG coil as opposed to the Custom Custom which has a drop in the Bass and a spike in the mids with a little less treble than the PG? Thats the contrast that makes it sound "magical" without the harsh peaks in the mids and treble--much like a single coil but with the fat bottom end of a humbucker. Thats the sound that guys are hearing...Am I right for those of you that have tried it?
 
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