How To: set a stratocaster bridge to float

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the easy way! idea came from a carl verheyen vid.

carl says he likes to set the bridge so when you pull up on the bar you get certain notes/intervals. he also says string tension = spring tension. i've always found its hard to get it all equalled out and have it stay in tune when you touch the bar.

a lightbulb went on when i saw the vid. i tried it and it works..

with the bridge against the body, tune the guitar to G-C-E-B flat - C sharp - F

loosen springs until its in tune, EADGBe. the spring on the bass side should be tighter than the treble side, bigger strings pull harder

it really is this simple, vid is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-F7iSIopA

mike
 
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If Carl speaks I imagine it's worth a listen. I'll give it a go soon. It would be nice if quite a few of us with strat tried it out and reported back in the next week or so. It could be quite interesting.
 
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I'd never do it the way you mentioned but that is how my Strat is set up...I use the same pitches and everything...

It's nice to know where it's gonna go when you yank the bar back like that!
 
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When you yank the bar back the pitch is supposed to change?
 
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Okay - he's a hell of a player, I'll give him that. And he probably manages to set up his own instruments excellently to his own liking.

But he has no friggin clue what he's talking about in any physical sense. Man, oh man. If he didn't keep such a straight face I would have sworn it was a joke - I think he really believes it though.

Oh well. So long as his guitars work okay....
 
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I'd never do it the way you mentioned but that is how my Strat is set up...I use the same pitches and everything...

It's nice to know where it's gonna go when you yank the bar back like that!

thats where the idea came from! since you know where you want it to go all the way back, just tune it there.

mike
 
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That works on modern bridges and PRS', Wilkingson's and so on but doesn't work on some of the vintage bridges. I normally use playing cards.
 
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Few points about his tutorial.

1) The Stratocaster bridge does not allow for fine tuning of pitch change of individual strings. It just happens to work that way in many setups. Try adjusting it so that all the pitch changes are the same as listed above, except that the high E goes up to F# instead of F, and you'll see what I mean. It just happens to work that way, and the only way you could individually adjust these raised pitches on a Strat (without drastically moving the saddles and corrupting the setup otherwise) would be to change individual string gauges. It's fortuitous that pitch changes happen to balance out as they do here, but it is not by intentional design or control.

2) So long as your bridge isn't sticking, string tension always equals spring tension. Well, they aren't actually equal, as leverage must me factored in, but they always remain directly proportional in the neutral position.

3) Adjusting the angle of the claw will have no effect here. I don't know what effect he thinks he is getting, but there is no effect on how the strings change pitch that can result from how the spring claw is angled. The only real change that can occur is to distribute the load differently on the posts, favoring heavier pressure against one side than the other. From the strings perspective however, they only see the sum of this force. Whether all the spring pressure is put on one side or the other, there is no difference in how the strings change pitch when pulling on the tremolo.

4) He doesn't really address anything involved with tuning stability, i.e., nut slots, how strings are wrapped on the post, bridge post adjustment, etc.

It's a good summary of the setup he shoots for, and a convenient guide as to determine how high the bridge should be floating off the body if you prefer that setup. The reasoning behind it however, is entirely wrong and of little value in fine tuning your setup.
 
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Wouldn't string gauges have an effect on this? I mean if one Strat is setup with 9's & another with 11's wouldn't that have an effect?
 
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Few points about his tutorial.

1) The Stratocaster bridge does not allow for fine tuning of pitch change of individual strings.

i was wondering about that. the guitar i used is a squier with some fender F tuners (which suck!), it actually did match carls, surprisingly. i kind of wish i had tried this on an MIM strat, they have better tuners, and i think we all have one, so it would be more scientifical

for the spring vs string part. i thought about it last night, and i agree, there might be some leverage, but both the springs and strings just pull straight toward the headstock. i don't think there are any side or up forces

and we're not taking measurements either, so we are maybe talking more precise than what we are doing?

anyways great point about the nut, it needs lube at minimum, even on a non trem guitar

mike
 
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I guess I've caused a bit of healthy discussion here as to how I set up my Fender Stratocasters and vintage style 6 screw bridges. As a direct response to Dave Collins and the guys who have tried it, I can say that:
1) The setup works for me and the claw angle most definitely determines pitch. I never claimed that it worked for anything other than a half step on the E string, a whole step on the B string and a minor 3rd on the G string.
2) By using a strobe tuner as a reference I can adjust the claw to hit those intervals when I pull the bar all the way up, and this is done simply by tightening or loosening the treble or bass side screws in the claw.
3) For the record I use a Radio Shack product called Precision Lube in my nut slots. And I wind the string no more than one and a half times around the posts to minimize expansion and contraction issues.
I'm a guitar player looking for the most musical way to use the tools I work with and definitely not a guitar tech or physicist, so if I got the tension issue wrong I apologize for the confusion. The reason I believe string tension should equal spring tension is because this balanced setup stabilized my tuning issues and made the guitar much more musical. But it's not for everybody!
Good luck with your music,
Carl Verheyen
 
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Seriously guys?

Dude's got, what'd he say, 9 strats that stay in tune with the bar using this method, and you wanna argue semantics as a basis for it not working?

I have a couple questions for you guys who have done it, though

First, what's the method for balancing the adjustment of the bridge screws with that of the claw? Do you set the height to taste and then adjust the claw or vice versa?

Also, on the bass side what do you do? Just shoot for a flat angle with the treble side when it's pushed all the way down?

What about strats with the 2 screw bridges like the new american standards?
 
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGOMG!!!

Carl Verheyen posted here!??????

For some reason, I feel like a little teenage girl that just saw Justin Bieber.
 
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Hi Carl - it's certainly an honor to have you here, and I mean no disrespect in my criticisms of your tutorial. No doubt you have helped and continue to help guide countless musicians in their quest to improve their playing, and in fine tuning their setups to allow exploration in to corners of their guitar's palette they may never have considered.

To be clear and fair, a player's motivation in understanding how to adjust their setup is typically centered on the end results, and whatever method gets them there is rightfully considered success. As a technician, one must inevitably focus on understanding the underlying reasons of how and why setups respond the way they do to different adjustments. Combined with experience and attentiveness, this knowledge is critical to troubleshooting and fine tuning setups to the wide variety of players needs with any control or predictability.

With that in mind, I take no issue at all with your methods of setup here, as it does indeed lead to the results you have shown on a conventional Strat bridge. Still, as to the reasoning behind them I have to say this -

The ratio which one string increases in pitch relative to others is not independently controllable. Aside from string gauge and tension, it comes down to a factor of where the peak of the saddle sits relative to the fulcrum point, and can not be individually fine tuned without making saddle adjustments which would compromise the setup and intonation. It is fortuitous that they happen to work out this same way on almost all conventional Strat setups, but it is just that - luck rather than controlled setup.

And secondly, while you may seem to notice a change in the way it responds when you adjust the trem claw to an angle, in the end it is only the net force of the springs that determines how it works. If you were to set up your guitar in the manner described in the video, then without touching the tuners re-adjust the trem claw to straight, or even at the opposite angle, being sure to maintain the same sum tension by bringing it back in to tune by adjusting the claw, then you will find the exact same changes in pitch as previously.

So the strings change pitch and tension here as a direct result of displacement. So long as the force of the springs is centered anywhere between the outer bridge posts (so as not to cause the bridge plate to lift away from posts on one side when using the trem) then that displacement will remain unchanged. It works out just fine any way you do it here, but in the end it is only the sum of force from the springs and not significantly dependent on the force being balanced or greater on one side or the other. Make sense?

Thanks again for coming by, and much thanks for your inspiration and influence of many players. I have to say that in spite of my disagreement with the reasoning behind why a setup works the way it does, I watched that video several times over in awe of the sounds you are able to coax out of a guitar like that.
 
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Carl,

welcome to our humble little forum, and thanks for taking the time to explain your setup a little further

secondly, you're a heckuva player and nice guy to boot!

one of my favorite tunes of yours is an older tune called "Revival Downs" ... just a great riff!

thanks again, and have a great upcoming tour
 
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