How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

JohnnyGuitar

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I know many players use two or more amps at the same time. Among them - Brian May, Metheny, Scofield, Eric Johnson and if I'm not mistaken even our own Lew...

I want to be educated about the subject... because lately I'm in a search for the right amplifier and amplification philosophy...

Just a few general questions:
What's the "right" way to do it?
What are the pros and cons?
How big sounding is the result?
A tech once told me that using two amps adds very little to the loudness, when compared with a bigger amp - is it true?
What stomp box is best for the purpose? I've seen a few guys using stereo delays... is it the best option?
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

I know many players use two or more amps at the same time. Among them - Brian May, Metheny, Scofield, Eric Johnson and if I'm not mistaken even our own Lew...

I want to be educated about the subject... because lately I'm in a search for the right amplifier and amplification philosophy...

Just a few general questions:
What's the "right" way to do it?
What are the pros and cons?
How big sounding is the result?
A tech once told me that using two amps adds very little to the loudness, when compared with a bigger amp - is it true?
What stomp box is best for the purpose? I've seen a few guys using stereo delays... is it the best option?

I do it a few different ways.

One of my favorites is to use a stereo chorus like the Danolectro Cool Cat. Makes the guitar sound really wide when I stomp it on.

I also use a Kendrick A/B/C box that lets me choose one, two or three amps to send my signal to.

I'll use more than one amp for more than one reason.

Sometimes it's to get a stereo spread and sometimes it's because one little amp, like a tweed Deluxe, isn't enough and two are needed to be loud enough for the gig.

And sometimes I just like the different qualities of two amps each with slightly different voice blended together - like when I play through both my tweed Deluxe with one 12 and my tweed Super with two 10's. When I do that I'll often split the signal with my Line 6 DL4 delay or use the stereo outputs of my Line 6 Verbzilla, since those amps do not have spring reverb and I like a little reverb.

One thing to check for is that your amps are in phase with each other. You can check that by putting them face to face. If they're out of phase the sound when both are on will have less bass and volume and sound choked.

My Matchless Chieftan (Or is it the SC-30? Or both?) has a switch that allows me to reverse the phase of the speaker to put in in phase with another speaker if needed.

I love the way the sound wraps around me when playing through two amps and I also like the way my guitar sustains more easily and with less distortion needed to get that sustain.

Lew
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

When I run stereo, I'll go from the stereo outs of my Line 6 DL-4 into an Ebtech Hum Eliminator, then into an AC30 on one side and a Super Reverb on the other. Without the Hum Eliminator, the AC30 introduces serious hum that transfers to the Super Reverb.

The sound is HUGE!

- Keith
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

Lew - you had me with "sustain with less distortion", that's more or less what I'm looking for... it's also what I hear from Eric Johnson and Brian May for example... is it a direct result of using two amps? what's the technical explanation?

As for the out of phase problem - is it only about the speaker or the amp itself? can you solve it only by replacing a speaker or modding it?


Keith - one amp makes the other hum? :eyecrazy:
 
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Keith - one amp makes the other hum? :eyecrazy:

Yeah, it's a drag, Yoni. The AC30 introduces a ground loop hum into the signal, so it goes everywhere. The Ebtech Hum Eliminator solves that problem, but I have noticed a bit of high frequency roll-off. It's a trade-off.

- Keith
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

when i use 2 amps at one time i now use my Radial ABY pedal so i can lift the ground hum... i'm looking at getting some more expensive ABY's with ground isolation transformers or whatever they are... i hate extra hum and noise that using 2 amps can bring...

that being said when i use 2 amps together i found that using one amp with a cleaner more OD setting with the EQ set brighter and more mids, and another amp with a higher gain setting with more lows really makes a punch!!! A good example of this is running my 5150 and one of my Peavey Classic amps in stereo


ps-for playing live in bars i never run a stereo set up... could not be bothered
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

when i use 2 amps at one time i now use my Radial ABY pedal so i can lift the ground hum... i'm looking at getting some more expensive ABY's with ground isolation transformers or whatever they are... i hate extra hum and noise that using 2 amps can bring...

Any tone loss with this setup?
 
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Yes, You need a device more often than not... that will lift the ground.
I use an Axcess BS-1 line buffer, I'm sure the Radial stuff (The Switchbone) is awesome...
They have everything, even a box that you can switch 2 heads into one cabinet
(The Headbone) or 2 cabinets to one head!
Half of my entire pedalboard are stereo pedals, modulations, delays and reverb are all stereo... running into each other.
I come out of them directly into the front end of my Marshalls.
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

Lew - you had me with "sustain with less distortion", that's more or less what I'm looking for... it's also what I hear from Eric Johnson and Brian May for example... is it a direct result of using two amps? what's the technical explanation?

As for the out of phase problem - is it only about the speaker or the amp itself? can you solve it only by replacing a speaker or modding it?


Keith - one amp makes the other hum? :eyecrazy:

Sometimes it's the amp. Sometimes it's the speaker. For example, in a two channel amp like a Fender Deluxe Reverb, the channel without reverb is out of phase with the channel with reverb because everytime you have a gain stage it reverses the phase. The channel without reverb is missing one gain stage (1/2 of a 12ax7) compared to the channel with reverb.
 
Re: How To Use Two Amps At The Same Time?

OK,

Didn't know about the phase and hum problems... Can it be avoided if I find out that the amps work together or use the same amp? or is the hum problem is always present?

And what about placing them on stage - how far away from each other do you need to place the amps to get the best results? does using stereo amp still matters if you mic them or does it loose the effect?
 
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So that's where that extra hum is coming from. I just tried something like this and got that too.

I was running the guitar into my Rocktron Rack Interface, which has the ability to split the signal and allows you to run identical guitar signals out to amps, effects, what have you. It's a pretty sophisticated unit. I should check if it maybe has a ground lift switch.

Running your guitar signals to multiple amps, especially if the amps have differing tones, can make for a very big, full guitar tone.

Another option is using a rack preamp with a stereo output into a stereo power amp, which essentially gives you two identical power amp sections. If you want a fuller tone, try running the power amp's outputs to different kinds of speaker cabs.

I have in the past use stereo effects like chorus and delay, and those do widen the sound. But in most recordings on commercial CD's, you don't typically hear the guitar mixed with a chorus with one side left, the other right. It's usually mono-ized at least somewhat.
 
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Running your guitar signals to multiple amps, especially if the amps have differing tones, can make for a very big, full guitar tone.

Yup, and it's a great thing to do in the studio with two rhythm guitar tracks, one panned left and the other panned right. If you make one guitar darker and the other brighter, that can make the sound much bigger. Same thing if you make one cleaner and the other more driven. It's something to experiment with in the studio, and it's a great thing to experiment on your own with two speakers in stereo.

- Keith
 
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Any tone loss with this setup?

so far not much... a slight bit of high end on one amp... but i mostly have been trying that Radial ABY unit for my home practice set up... 2 stereo chorus Fender SS amps from the 90's... a Princton Chorus and an Ultimate Chorus.... sometimes i add a Berhinger combo instead of the Princton Chorus...

i do wish to try the more expensive units like the Switchbone...
 
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It's something to experiment with in the studio, and it's a great thing to experiment on your own with two speakers in stereo.

- Keith
Right. I was even gonna add, even if you just use one amp that has multiple speaker outputs, and connect speaker cabs with different types of speakers, it can thicken the sound.

When I used my stereo rack rig, one output went to my open back 1-12 with a Celestion 80 watt lead speaker, and the other output went to my closed back 2-12 cab with Vintage 30's. The two cabs have different tones, and the combination filled things out very nicely.

Earlier this year I finally got a 4-12 cab. Even more fun!
 
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There are no less than 2 different types of set ups that involve more than one amp...Eric Johnson for example uses 4 different amps on stage, one for his lead tone (usally a Marshall half stack) one for his dirty rhythm sound (a different Marshall half stack) and a pair of amps for his stereo clean tone (usally a pair of Twin Reverbs) but with the exception of the stereop clean thing the amps are never all running at once and are never mixed up.

Brian May has a very different thing going on with his signal due to the use of lots of delay tricks.

I almost always run 2 amps these days, makes for a nice big tone with a lot more character than just one amp...

So in order to get a set up that works for you you have to decide what you really want/need.

You asked about the right way, there really is no wrong way...use an A/B, A/B/C, A/B/Y, etc box if you want one amp OR the other or the Y setting if you want both, run a stereo effect at the end of the chain and split there, simply daisy chain the amps together using the inputs and out outs of each amp...it all works

Pro's, if you go the A/B route ala Eric Johnson you get to use amps for whatever they do best...everybody wants an amp with Fender cleans and Marshall crunch, that amp does not exist so Eric simply uses Fenders AND Marshalls to cover all that sonic ground.

If you go the stereo route is like mixing speakers...if you use 2 different kinds of speakers with in one amp you get a bigger more complex sound because each of those speakers does one thing really well and the other speaker does something different...2 amps is the same thing, if they are different amps. Also if you are ruinning a stereo set up it can help keep things clear and more defined like in the set up Brian May uses.

Cons, it's more crap to haul around, there is more volume if you are using 2 amps, more physical space is needed, there can be phasing issues, etc

How big is the result...depending on the amps used VERY BIG...it's all about trying things until you land the set up that works for you. SRV for example almost never recorded with just one amp, it was always 2, 3 even 4 or more different amps all going at once to get a big huge sound.

Im not sure why anybody woudl tell you that 2 amps adds very little loudness...that has not been my expoerience at all but it all depends on the amps, the setting and the desired results...

What box is best...it just depends, if you use delay and have a stereo elay then it's a grea option, again, if you use stereo chorus and have one than that might be the best option, some flangers are stereo, some guys simply opt for a splitter like the Axxes BS-2, some boost pedals have 2 outs, the ZVEX SHO for example, any high quality A/B/Y box can be used for this (I have had great results with Loop-Master boxes) and sometimes a simply Y cord will do the trick (I know Lava-Man makes custom Y cables for various needs).

Good luck!
 
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I'm modestly bumping my own post... :cool2:

Just very curious:

Didn't know about the phase and hum problems... Can it be avoided if I find out that the amps work together or use the same amp? or is the hum problem is always present?

And what about placing them on stage - how far away from each other do you need to place the amps to get the best results? does using stereo amp still matters if you mic them or does it loose the effect?
 
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I mean my stereo setup is more for my own enjoyment I suppose...
Seriously doubt if the audience could give a rats @ss...
I do it only for my own sonic vibration...
Like Santana say's "12 feet out it doesn't matter" but he's running four amps also!
Including a little Motion Sound SR-112 Leslie...
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If more than one amp is running at the same time...you guys need a splitter box with separeted outputs(that usually include coils, and is not cheap by any means)
Any selfrespecting tech can build one of those!
 
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I don't normally run two because of the hassle of moving my stuff twice a week ..... but I really like the sound I get when I do. My main amp is a 1-12 combo Class A/B with 6L6s and I route the dry signal out of my Deluxe Memory Man to a 1-10 Class A combo with EL-84s. I have the gain up on the Palomino so it's right on the edge of OD. The way the two amps respond differently to being hit with pedals ............... well the combination is awesome, and the amps are only a few inches apart on the floor. I'm not going for stereo separation like you might want for chorus or ping pong delay. I just like the blended sound that is unique and sweeter than either amp alone. No hum, by the way.
 
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I think a few AB boxes (radial maybe) have ground and phase switchs to fix the above problems).
 
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