HSH Strat with neck HB coil split

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Nmoc strat

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Hi,

can you please help me with this, I’m installing in my partscaster an HSH with SD JB (bridge), a Dimarzio Vintage noiseless (mid) and a SD 59 (neck). I use to have another SC in the neck, but I want to return to the HB, however, I’d like to have the option of the SC neck Strat tone, and this 59 is a 4 conductor HB, so I guess this is possible.

I want to split the 59 only, not the bridge JB, I dont care for a bridge SC tone, only want SC tones in positions neck and mid/neck. The guitar is HSH with 1 volume and 2 tones.

So whats the best solution, I have a push/pull pot to install, should I install it in the neck tone pot?

Cant find the exact wiring diagram for this ....

thanks
 
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ignore the push/pull bridge portion, treat it as a regular tone potentiometer, except the middle lug shouldn't go to the vol pot. It should go directly to the hot (humbucker - red, middle - green) of which ever pickup you want it to control the tone of. same for the 2nd tone pot. the bridge red lead should go directly to the 5 way switch, the lug furthest to the left, next to where the middle green lead is soldered. bridge black and white soldered together and insulated. bridge green and bare grounded. you can choose which control to use the push/pull pot for. I'd personally choose one of the tone controls.
 
Most diagrams that do coil splitting are setup so that the screw coil of the 59 will be cut/deactivated. That's the coil that's positioned closest to the neck. Alot of players want to leave thae coil closest to the neck active (because supposedly there are more harmonics in that physical location because of its proximiry to the 2nd octave point in the string length), and so cut the other coil instead. You can compensate by rotating the pickup 180° in its mounting ring so the other coil that would be left active in coilsplit mode, now is closest to the neck instead. Or, if you don't want to re-orient the neck pickup, i can describe how to wire the coilsplit so that its the other coil that's cut. Just let me know if this is something you want or you're ok with the screw coil of the 59 getting cut in the coilsplit mode.

Also let me know if you need a full diagram for the 5 way switch and pots, or just a diagram for the coilsplit push-pull switch. If you need a full diagram, tell me how many volume pots, how many tone pots, etc.
 
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Jack_TriPpEr said:
Most diagrams that do coil splitting are setup so that the screw coil of the 59 will be cut/deactivated. That's the coil that's positioned closest to the neck. Alot of players want to leave thae coil closest to the neck active (because supposedly there are more harmonics in that physical location because of its proximiry to the 2nd octave point in the string length), and so cut the other coil instead. You can compensate by rotating the pickup 180° in its mounting ring so the other coil that would be left active in coilsplit mode, now is closest to the neck instead. Or, if you don't want to re-orient the neck pickup, i can describe how to wire the coilsplit so that its the other coil that's cut. Just let me know if this is something you want or you're ok with the screw coil of the 59 getting cut in the coilsplit mode.

Also let me know if you need a full diagram for the 5 way switch and pots, or just a diagram for the coilsplit push-pull switch. If you need a full diagram, tell me how many volume pots, how many tone pots, etc.
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I don´ t mind to rotate the 59 so the screw coil would be closer to the neck if that way the SC tones would be better.

I would apreciate if you could provide a full diagram , yes, as I´m a bit new to this coil split thing. I have this pot, but have no idea how to install it: https://www.amazon.es/Fender-2257-Split-Shaft-Potenciómetro/dp/B002HFNURG

The guitar is a Stratocaster, HSH
SD JB (bridge) / Dimarzio Vintage 54 SC (middle) / SD 59 (neck)
5 way switch
1 volume
2 Tones ; bottom tone bridge and middle pickup / upper tone neck pickup

Its currently in normal wiring, 5 positions, 1 volume knob, 2 tones, but no split coils, so, I want to use the above split shaft pot, just to coil split the neck humbucker (SD 59), as I´d like to have those SC tones in positions 4 and 5. So I would put this split pot in place of one of the other pots, but I´m not sure whats the best wiring for this (upper tone, as its the neck HB tone??), and how and where exactly to solder all the wires.

Big thanks
 
Nmoc strat said:
I don´ t mind to rotate the 59 so the screw coil would be closer to the neck if that way the SC tones would be better.
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Sorry, it seems there is some misunderstanding about my earlier comments. The screw coil of the 59 would normally *already* be facing the neck. My comment about rotating the 59 pickup, said that *after* rotation, that the other coil (slug coil) would now be facing the neck. Why do that? Because most diagrams that cut a coil, leave the other coil active (the slug coil), not the screw coil.

Nmoc strat said:
... I have this pot, but have no idea how to install it: https://www.amazon.es/Fender-2257-Split-Shaft-Potenciómetro/dp/B002HFNURG
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That is a 250K pot. 250K pots are typically used for singlecoils, and 500K pots for humbuckers. There is a risk that the 59 pickup will sound too dark if you use a 500K pot. I would recommend you use a 500K pot instead for the 59 pickup, especially since you will have the 59 pickup placed in the Neck position, which is a darker sounding position on the guitar. But, you can also do some research in this forum and on the internet and see what other people have to say about it.
 
Jack_TriPpEr said:
That is a 250K pot. 250K pots are typically used for singlecoils, and 500K pots for humbuckers. There is a risk that the 59 pickup will sound too dark if you use a 500K pot. I would recommend you use a 500K pot instead for the 59 pickup, especially since you will have the 59 pickup placed in the Neck position, which is a darker sounding position on the guitar. But, you can also do some research in this forum and on the internet and see what other people have to say about it.
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I think you meant to say the bucker will sound too dark if you use a 250k pot.
 
Well, in fact, I do prefer 250k posts for this pickup set, on Strat type guitars. I've used 500k pots, not on this guitar, but on other Strats, and altough the difference isnt that dramatic, I feel its a bit more harsh sounding, so, since then, I tend to favour 250k pots instead.

For this Partscaster, the pots I use, are a pre wiring set with 3 CTS 250k pots, and 5 way switch I bought, but now, I'd like to try this new push Pull pot for the Neck humbucker, but I'm not sure on how to Wire it, and where it would be best to Wire it, should it replace the volume pot, or the Neck tone pot?

Where should I Wire the ground wires, the One from the input Jack, and from the Pickups?

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If you think that a humbucker (59) sounds too "harsh" with a 500k pot, understand that your guitar does have a tone control which can relieve that.
 
Thanks to all Of you guys, I've already finished the wiring. Ended up to follow the Seymour Duncan SC sized / SC / SC sized diagram, placed the push Pull pot in the volume pot position, and while I was at it, also wired the Bridge JB humbucker.

​​​​​Everything went right, not bad really, for a first time experience into the coil split wirings.

So, its a black Partscaster , with white Pearl PG HSH SD JB / Dimarzio Virtual Vintage SC / SD 59, with the coil split on the HBs, and it works great.



https://photos.app.goo.gl/77bCWAPmSDxEFd7B7

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Nmoc strat said:
Thanks to all Of you guys, I've already finished the wiring. Ended up to follow the Seymour Duncan SC sized / SC / SC sized diagram, placed the push Pull pot in the volume pot position, and while I was at it, also wired the Bridge JB humbucker.

​​​​​Everything went right, not bad really, for a first time experience into the coil split wirings.

So, its a black Partscaster , with white Pearl PG HSH SD JB / Dimarzio Virtual Vintage SC / SD 59, with the coil split on the HBs, and it works great.


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Congrats. Sorry i did not see your last question from March 30 until now. Glad it all worked out.

BTW, that photos google link isn't working.
 
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