HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Kermit4161

Kermit4161

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Wiring diagram request and issues.
Hey everyone...I am a noob taking on a bit more that I should. But it is a learning experience.


I have a Fender MIM HSH Strat w/1 vol and 2 tone pots. The 2nd tone pot is a push/pull. I decided to swap out the pickups and pots. I wanted to get better components add extra options.

Looking for this outcome or any other possibilities with the push pull pots:

1 - neck
2 - neck/middle
3 - middle
4 - bridge/middle
5 - bridge
Tone 1 up - neck always on
Tone 2 up - bridge always on

Here are the components:

Alnico II Pro HB - neck
STK-S4m Classic Stack Middle Pickup
Alnico II Pro HB - bridge
1 - Bourns Model 82 500K pot
2 - Bournes 500K push-pull pots
CRL 5 way switch

I was following a diagram posted by Richard Irons

(https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?244151-HSH-1-Volume-2-Push-Pull-Tone-5-Way)

and ran into the problem that my middle pickup didn't have just two wires - but black, white, red green and bare.

Also, the Bournes Model 82 has a ground washer vs grounding on top of the pot...that is getting crowded. Does anyone know if you can use the top of that pot too?

The neck and middle pickup seems to work (tapping on screws) but not the pull-up pots or the bridge pickup.

Anyone have a wiring diagram for the above components?

I am going to pull it all apart and start over.

Starting to read through Richards wiring guides - and my soldering needs practice.

Thanks for any help you can provide. Looking forward to being part of this forum and learning...

Alan
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Kermit4161 said:
Wiring diagram request and issues.
Hey everyone...I am a noob taking on a bit more that I should. But it is a learning experience.


I have a Fender MIM HSH Strat w/1 vol and 2 tone pots. The 2nd tone pot is a push/pull. I decided to swap out the pickups and pots. I wanted to get better components add extra options.

Looking for this outcome or any other possibilities with the push pull pots:

1 - neck
2 - neck/middle
3 - middle
4 - bridge/middle
5 - bridge
Tone 1 up - neck always on
Tone 2 up - bridge always on

Here are the components:

Alnico II Pro HB - neck
STK-S4m Classic Stack Middle Pickup
Alnico II Pro HB - bridge
1 - Bourns Model 82 500K pot
2 - Bournes 500K push-pull pots
CRL 5 way switch

I was following a diagram posted by Richard Irons

(https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?244151-HSH-1-Volume-2-Push-Pull-Tone-5-Way)

and ran into the problem that my middle pickup didn't have just two wires - but black, white, red green and bare.

Also, the Bournes Model 82 has a ground washer vs grounding on top of the pot...that is getting crowded. Does anyone know if you can use the top of that pot too?

The neck and middle pickup seems to work (tapping on screws) but not the pull-up pots or the bridge pickup.

Anyone have a wiring diagram for the above components?

I am going to pull it all apart and start over.

Starting to read through Richards wiring guides - and my soldering needs practice.

Thanks for any help you can provide. Looking forward to being part of this forum and learning...

Alan
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Hi Alan, and welcome to the forum!

Wow... you've got a lot of different things for me to react to!

First of all, I CAN come up with a diagram for you, just not right now. I'm responding from my phone tonight and quite frankly I won't have time to make one until tomorrow night sometime.

Now let's get the easy stuff out of the way. First, no big deal on the extra wires for the center pickup. The black wire is your "hot," and you'll want to attach the green AND bare wires to ground. The red and white wires are your series link and just need to be connected together and taped off.

Second, most pots can actually be grounded pretty much anywhere on the chassis. Any piece of metal that washer is connected to on that pot, either directly or indirectly, should be fair game.

Okay... now we get a little more involved, and quite possibly a little more heartbreaking...

The diagram you found will NOT give you what you're asking for. [emoji20]

That diagram IS using two push-pulls on the tone controls of an HSH Strat, but they are splitting the bridge and neck pups down to single coils... NOT making "bridge always on" and "neck always on." You need a different diagram.

Which brings me to a question for you. Why have a switch for both bridge AND neck to be "always on?" Choosing one or the other will give you all the possible combinations, including bridge+neck and all three at once. I guess I'm saying that what you're asking for is most certainly do-able, but also (at least to my thinking) redundant and unnecessary... unless of course you have a particular situation in mind that I'm not considering.

If you want to do something different with one of the push/pulls I would suggest one of these options:
• Coil split for neck and bridge
• Parallel for neck OR bridge
• Series for one combination of any two pickups
• Phase Reverse for bridge or neck
• Kill Switch
• Blower
• Nothing... go back to a standard pot

Personally I'd probably go for the coil split or the phase reverse, but that's strictly a matter of personal taste. Quite frankly, you may want to opt for going back to the original single push/pull and making your wiring job a little simpler.

Let me know what you're thinking, and we'll get it figured out! [emoji1303]

~Brian


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Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Hi Brian!

Thanks for the quick reply back. I really appreciate it.

I think I got myself confused with all the options I was reading about before diving in this project. Your explaination made perfect sense once I read it. So let me adjust a bit. If I can do one push-pull pot (say tone 1) for coil splitting and the second (tone 2) for bridge always on, then I would get the best bang for the buck! Someday I will look at phase changes - but for now I better stick to something familiar (ish).

Not sure which pickup would be the most beneficial to coil split (especially with these new pickups). The original setup split the bridge if I am correct. My favorite setting has been #4 settings of bridge with middle pickup (w/coil split active). That was getting the best sound from it stock.

I am experimenting with different types of music at the moment - just learning electric after a lifetime of acoustic. Lately I have been learning some Led Zepplin (Rainsong) and am now about to attempt Allman Bros Jessica (as soon as I am back up and running). I like intrumentals, good old 60's / 70's Rock, Southern Rock, etc. The Allman Bros. Band has been one of a few bands that I have followed ever since I started listening to music. I know I cant get some of those sounds out of a Strat - but going to get this one as versitile as I can and then work on getting a Gibson later this year.

Thanks again for the offer of help! This is going to be an experience getting this up and running.

Cheers,

Alan

That Borurnes vol pot is nice and all - but the ground washer/lug threw me and pushed my soldering talents past their limits...lol. I have a lot of messy solder joints to clean up.
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

You can actually have the coil split switch do both neck and bridge at the same time... that's what I'd do. The cool thing is that it basically turns it into an SSS Strat with one movement. Only drawback is that you can't run bridge HB with neck split or vice versa.


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Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Okay... so that'd make this possible?

1. Neck
2. Neck and middle
3. Middle
4. Bridge and middle
5. Bridge
Tone 1 up - Coil split both HB
Tone 2 up - Bridge always on

Sounds good to me!
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Awesome! Let's do it that way then when you get the chance.
Enjoy your Monday!
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Question for you... do you want the tones to be the typical Strat setup (volume, neck tone, center tone, no tone on bridge) , or would you rather have it some other way? You could even have two pickups share one of the tones if you want.

Also, any preference for which push/pull does the split and which adds the bridge?

EDIT: Never mind the second question... you already told me! :smack:
 
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Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Good question.

At first I was thinking of combining the neck/bridge tones...but honestly I dont know if that is a good idea. It would really only effect the bridge in always on position and the SSS position. I could see wanting to individually adjusting the neck vs both neck and bridge in thise positions.

Lets just go with the standard Strat setup (neck and middle).

For push-pull...
Tone 1 (middle knob) - split coil
Tone 2 (bottom knob) - bridge always on

Thanks
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Try this on for size...

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Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

That looks awesome! I will start deconstructing tonight and see how far I get ...

Thank you!!
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

This is exactly the wiring i was looking for but i would like to wire the tone 2 to the bridge pickup. how do i achieve that ? is it possible to do a quick edit on the diagram? I would appreciate it sooo much ! thanks :)
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

MaxSed said:
This is exactly the wiring i was looking for but i would like to wire the tone 2 to the bridge pickup. how do i achieve that ? is it possible to do a quick edit on the diagram? I would appreciate it sooo much ! thanks :)
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What exactly do you mean? Which tone control(s) would affect which pickups?
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Thaks for the reply BriGuy1968
I understood from reading the thread that the diagram is wired one tone to control the neck and the second one controlling the middle pickup "traditional strat wiring"
I would like to have it that one tone is controlling the neck and the second tone pot is controlling the bridge pickup.
 
Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

Yes ! Correct Same diagram same everything, the only difference is the second tone pot is controlling the bridge pickup instead of the middle one.
 
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Re: HSH w/1 volume - 2 tone pots with pullups wiring

I’m not at home right now, but I made a little edit on my phone. All you have to do is this:

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