HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

[cyaneo]

Hi,

does someone have a wiring diagram for a HSS Strat with
2x Duncan Designed SC101 (middle & Neck) and 1x Duncan Designed HB102 with coil split (5-Way-Switch, 1 Push/Pull Vol, 2 Tone)?


I want this result:

Push / Pull down
Position 1. Bridge Humbucker
Position 2. Middle & Bridge Humbucker
Position 3. Middle
Position 4. Middle & Neck
Position 5. Neck

Push / Pull up (pulled)
Position 1. Bridge Humbucker Splitted
Position 2. Middle & Bridge Humbucker Splitted
Position 3. Middle
Position 4. Middle & Neck
Position 5. Neck


Thank you!

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

Very simple...
run the red and white wires (soldered together) from the hummer to either of the middle lugs of the p/p. From the top lug od the p/p (on the same side) run a wire to ground. The 5-way doesn't need any changes.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

Here's a diagram for the p/p split.

https://docs.google.com/gview?embed...ent/uploads/2016/05/1SCH_2S_5W_1VppSPL_1T.pdf

 

[cyaneo]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

Thank you, but on the diagram is just 1 Vol and 1 Tone , I have 1 Vol and 2 Tones...

Also confusing:
The SC-101 have 3 wires (white, red, black), the diagrams all are 2 wire SCs - should I solder red and white togeter?

The HB-102B have 4 wires - all the diagrams have 5 wire HBs (with a additional grey wire) - just solder the same but without grey?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

You don't need to change the wiring at the 5 way switch so you will still have your 1 vol 2 tone setup intact.

The SC-101 is already a single coil...you won't be doing anything (splitting) with that.

It's been too long since I've wired a Duncan Designed pup and I can't remember the wiring color code. But you can figure it out if you have a multimeter. Measure between each pair of wires and write down the results. You will end up with two sets of wires which give you a reading (they should be slightly different from each other, but should be in the neighborhood of 6-8k ohms each). These represent the start and finish wires of each coil.

Once you do that, if you post the results I will be able to help you better.

Perhaps in the meantime someone else will chime in with the answer.

 

[cyaneo]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

white & red: 7.31
all others: 0

by the way: I just have all (new & used) parts as single components - nothing is soldered together at this time, so I am starting at poin zero ;-)

I've tested it - red & black must be soldered together.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

What about a reading between the black and green wires? Are you saying that it is "0"? This makes no sense unless there is a wire broken in that coil.

7.31k ohms is a correct reading for one of the coils.

What do you mean by..."red and black must be soldered together"? Do you mean that the red and black wires ARE soldered together? Or that they SHOULD be? If they ARE soldered together, why are you trying to test the DCR of each individual coil without disconnecting them? Of course you will get incorrect readings. However, if red and white is one coil, then black and green will be the other coil and even if black is soldered to the red you should still be able to get an accurate reading between black and green (just make sure that the white wire isn't touching anything).

 

[cyaneo]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

I talked about the SC-101 (because its a 3wire, red, white, black).

The Only problem with the HB-102B was the "missing" grey cable...

I used this wiring diagram now: https://www.seymourduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/1SCH_2S_5W_1VppSPL_2T.pdf
The sound is verry thin at pos 4 (bridge hum & middle single coil) - much lesser output than all other positions, sounds like "out of phase".

At the sd homepage I found out this about the SC101s:
"The three single coil models are each specially calibrated to either bridge, middle or neck positions, with the middle pickup reverse wound, reverse polarity."

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

First of all...position 2 is bridge + middle, position 4 is neck + middle. (1=bridge, 2=b+m, 3=middle, 4=n+m, 5=neck)

Looking at your diagram (and using those colors):

On the bridge pup, disconnect the black wire going to the switch and solder it to ground;
And disconnect the green wire that is pictured going to ground and solder it to the switch where the black wire was.
(This is assuming that you have already adjusted the pup heights to their best heights.)

That should correct the problem if it was indeed a phase problem. (If that makes your sound at pos 2 even weaker then it wasn't a phase problem, you just had the bridge pup too low and needed to adjust it closer to the strings. So check that first before you do any soldering.)

 

[Mark Cearlock]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

I talked about the SC-101 (because its a 3wire, red, white, black).

The Only problem with the HB-102B was the "missing" grey cable...

I used this wiring diagram now: https://www.seymourduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/1SCH_2S_5W_1VppSPL_2T.pdf
The sound is verry thin at pos 4 (bridge hum & middle single coil) - much lesser output than all other positions, sounds like "out of phase".

At the sd homepage I found out this about the SC101s:
"The three single coil models are each specially calibrated to either bridge, middle or neck positions, with the middle pickup reverse wound, reverse polarity."

The "missing" grey wire on the dd hb102 is the pickup ground. I have had several sets of duncan designed humbuckers, and the silver unsheilded wire is the ground that solders to the back of a volume or tone pot along with the green wire.

 

[cyaneo]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

First of all...position 2 is bridge + middle, position 4 is neck + middle. (1=bridge, 2=b+m, 3=middle, 4=n+m, 5=neck)

Looking at your diagram (and using those colors):

On the bridge pup, disconnect the black wire going to the switch and solder it to ground;
And disconnect the green wire that is pictured going to ground and solder it to the switch where the black wire was.
(This is assuming that you have already adjusted the pup heights to their best heights.)

That should correct the problem if it was indeed a phase problem. (If that makes your sound at pos 2 even weaker then it wasn't a phase problem, you just had the bridge pup too low and needed to adjust it closer to the strings. So check that first before you do any soldering.)

I set up the middle coil a little bit closer to the strings - so it sounds a little bit louder, but not enough.
But then I changed the green wire with th black one (now I see the outer coil instead the inner coil of the hum is working) - thats the solution man - now it sounds great (Squier VM 70's SSS to HSS)!

Thank you, doc - you really are a GuitarDoc!

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: HSS with DD 2x SC101 & 1x HB102 with coil split (1 Vol, 2 Tone)

You're welcome. Glad I could help.