humbucker for strat-like

Re: humbucker for strat-like

wolf5150 said:
Went through the experience in the last 2 weeks as a matter of fact and was stunned by the findings.
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I did it for 7 years, since I built the test harness that has a 3-way switch to go from 250/250/47 to 500/500/23 and a third row where things are variable. Sure I can hear the difference when changing all three. But it isn't nowhere close to what different kinds of pickups show. If you change only one of the three it is very little.

Also, your optimal value for the volume pot depends on the input impedance of the first active stage of your rig. It really isn't quite possible to state that a random person on the internets you know nothing about can't run humbuckers with 250 kohm pots, especially not when there might be a 23 nF capacitor on the tone pot.
 
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wolf5150 said:
What a load of typical forum Tosh....
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You really like to bad mouth this forum and its members. You realize of course that you don'e need to suffer through the agony of participating here if it's too painful for you!

wolf5150 said:
of course the pots are relevant.
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Nobody said pots aren't relevant. If you read with both your eyes and your mind you'll realize that I said..."at this point it is not relevant". (meaning that until a pup or combination of pups is decided upon, the choice of pots is meaningless).


wolf5150 said:
If you recommend a humbucker which only shines with 500k pots, it'll sound like **** if the guitar has 250k pots.
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Since tone is so subjective/personal, there is no such thing as a pup which "only shines with 500k pots". Many, if not all, buckers sound great to many guitarists with 500k pots and those same pups sound even better to other guitarists with 250k pots (eg: JB, Dist, 59, Jazz, etc).

wolf5150 said:
Likewise, he listens to you, chooses to change pots to suit your recommendation of humbucker and discovers that his single coils are now way too shrill.

So...tell him that if he takes your advice and finds out I was right, you'll pay for him to correct your mistake out of your own pockets...see how confident you are now.
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I am still totally confident and would be willing to buy a couple resistors and/or pots to get his rig sounding good to his ears. But, are you willing to buy him a new pup if your suggestion sounds bad to him?!

With comments like these that you have made, you are making yourself sound like you have never messed (successfully) with the components of a guitar, and maybe even never played one. You need to find something that you are good at and concentrate on that instead of putting the forum members down all the time.
 
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GuitarDoc said:
You really like to bad mouth this forum and its members. You realize of course that you don'e need to suffer through the agony of participating here if it's too painful for you!



Nobody said pots aren't relevant. If you read with both your eyes and your mind you'll realize that I said..."at this point it is not relevant". (meaning that until a pup or combination of pups is decided upon, the choice of pots is meaningless).




Since tone is so subjective/personal, there is no such thing as a pup which "only shines with 500k pots". Many, if not all, buckers sound great to many guitarists with 500k pots and those same pups sound even better to other guitarists with 250k pots (eg: JB, Dist, 59, Jazz, etc).



I am still totally confident and would be willing to buy a couple resistors and/or pots to get his rig sounding good to his ears. But, are you willing to buy him a new pup if your suggestion sounds bad to him?!

With comments like these that you have made, you are making yourself sound like you have never messed (successfully) with the components of a guitar, and maybe even never played one. You need to find something that you are good at and concentrate on that instead of putting the forum members down all the time.
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I don't " like to bad mouth this forum and its members " but I detest the nonsense some members continually spout as " fact ".
You are constantly on your high horse in this forum and anyone who disagrees gets the same response I've just had.

As always, I asked the op to check his pot values so I can give him an educated recommendation because they do have a big impact on some pickups.
You advise without knowing all the facts and for that reason I stand by my criticism.

There are 3 forums renowned for attitude and talking bull, this one, Ernie Ball and The Gear Page.
I contribute as little as possible on here, except when advice misleads those who need guidance and you will not back me down with your attitude.
 
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Re: humbucker for strat-like

I can't see the last 2 posts of this thread, #22 and #23. The thread info says that there are 23 posts but I can only see the first 21. I don't see my last post which was posted yesterday (should be #22), and I don't see the last post (#23) by Wolf5150.

What's up?
 
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GuitarDoc said:
I can't see the last 2 posts of this thread, #22 and #23. The thread info says that there are 23 posts but I can only see the first 21. I don't see my last post which was posted yesterday (should be #22), and I don't see the last post (#23) by Wolf5150.

What's up?
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Those are visible, in the case of Wolfie unfortunately. Sorry, Wolfie. Can you chill out and/or test more?
 
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This is so weird, according to Swissmountain, his post was #25 but on my screen it is #23. I'm still missing 2 posts that apparently everyone else can see. One of those posts was my reply to Wolf5150.

Could one of you please copy and paste the posts #21 (my reply to Wolf5150) and #22 (I presume this is his response to my post) into a reply so I can see them.

Thanks.
 
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Lame to watch you guys gang up on wolf5150 cause he asked a guy what value his pots were...

I know this it sure as hell doesnt take 7 years of testing to figure out what the difference in values do. FFS you can figure that out in a few hours.

In the end anyone here who tries to argue that you dont need the correct pots in relation to the pickups you want to use (especially in a HSS set up) is a tosser.

Blows my mind to see the same people who scream that the JB needs 250k pots are now saying it doesnt matter... sheesh
 
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Edgecrusher said:
Lame to watch you guys gang up on wolf5150 cause he asked a guy what value his pots were...

I know this it sure as hell doesnt take 7 years of testing to figure out what the difference in values do. FFS you can figure that out in a few hours.

In the end anyone here who tries to argue that you dont need the correct pots in relation to the pickups you want to use (especially in a HSS set up) is a tosser.

Blows my mind to see the same people who scream that the JB needs 250k pots are now saying it doesnt matter... sheesh
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All people were saying is that it matters a lot less than the pickups and wolf was the one coming over overly strong.

Also, for the tone pot you can just turn a 500k pot to where it reads 250k on an ohmmeter and you have the same thing. Of course you might or might not have a 47 nF capacitor. At that point changing the volume pot alone between 250, 300 or 500kOhm really doesn't make a dramatic difference.

Telling the OP that his/her choice of pickups is limited by the pots currently mounted makes no sense. As pointed out earlier there are a lot of HH guitars that come 300 kohm from the factory, including good ones. What wolf said did damage to the OP.
 
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uOpt said:
All people were saying is that it matters a lot less than the pickups and wolf was the one coming over overly strong.

Also, for the tone pot you can just turn a 500k pot to where it reads 250k on an ohmmeter and you have the same thing. Of course you might or might not have a 47 nF capacitor. At that point changing the volume pot alone between 250, 300 or 500kOhm really doesn't make a dramatic difference.

Telling the OP that his/her choice of pickups is limited by the pots currently mounted makes no sense. As pointed out earlier there are a lot of HH guitars that come 300 kohm from the factory, including good ones. What wolf said did damage to the OP.
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On behalf of myself and all the guitar and pickup makers in this world, I apologise for disagreeing with your opinion oh master of knowledge.
From now on we'll ignore tradition and our design parameters until we check with you first.
 
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uOpt said:
All people were saying is that it matters a lot less than the pickups and wolf was the one coming over overly strong.

Also, for the tone pot you can just turn a 500k pot to where it reads 250k on an ohmmeter and you have the same thing. Of course you might or might not have a 47 nF capacitor. At that point changing the volume pot alone between 250, 300 or 500kOhm really doesn't make a dramatic difference.

Telling the OP that his/her choice of pickups is limited by the pots currently mounted makes no sense. As pointed out earlier there are a lot of HH guitars that come 300 kohm from the factory, including good ones. What wolf said did damage to the OP.
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Man this just a load of bollocks... please just stop... its been proven time and again around here that turning a 500k pot to 250 still isnt the same as running a straight 250k pot. Please stop repeating that. Beyond the bad info your peddling my point was... Wolf gave an opinion of a way to approach the problem and like it or not it does make sense to look at the ALL the electronics in a guitar first instead of just picking a humbucker than finding later that it doesnt match your singles and you need to swap pots.

Tell me would it in anyway be detrimental to the OP's tone search to state what pots hes using? Would it at all be bad for the outcome if he matched made sure his pickups played nice with the pot values he had? Is asking the OP to take 47.5 seconds to take a phillips screw driver and undo a few screws and look what pots he has before decided wayyy tooo over the top?

I mean you guys never hesitate to shove a mag swap down peoples throats why is asking someone what value their pots are such a heinous crime?
 
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considering the guitar is a HSS i'm willing to bet it has 250k pots. if they had 500k pots the SCs wouldn't sound like SCs. i have a pacifica too and it has the alnico 2 pro humbucker and it sounds great. stock pots.
 
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wolf5150 said:
On behalf of myself and all the guitar and pickup makers in this world, I apologise for disagreeing with your opinion oh master of knowledge.
From now on we'll ignore tradition and our design parameters until we check with you first.
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Post clips then.
 
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