Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

[jeremy]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

gibson never put serial #'s on pups. they put a Patent Applied For sticker on the pups for a while. the patent was actually granted in july of 1959, four years after seth applied. i think what you are referring to is the pat # pups. gibson put a sticker on the back of these pups with the pat #, but it wasnt the patent # for the humbucking pup. it was for the trapeze tailpiece on the les paul

 

[Christopher Caruana]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

gibson never put serial #'s on pups. they put a Patent Applied For sticker on the pups for a while. the patent was actually granted in july of 1959, four years after seth applied. i think what you are referring to is the pat # pups. gibson put a sticker on the back of these pups with the pat #, but it wasnt the patent # for the humbucking pup. it was for the trapeze tailpiece on the les paul

ya sorry my bad. AFTER the patent was issued by seth, gibson put the "patent" sticker on there from '59-'62. but my book says gibson put the PAF sticker on there to throw off copiers.

 

[PoorMan]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

nope. There is no way to get 7k worth of 42 pe on a bucker bobbin

+1

 

[The Usual]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

490 - #42
496 - #42
498 - #43

Awesome. Thanks! I think this means that the hybrid theory will work for the 498/490. I will now give it a try.

As for the whole PAF thing, was there a patent, or not? If there was, what was the patent for? Components, technology or both? I think you know where I'm going with this. If the patent was for the humbucking technology, then all humbuckers are PAFs. The whole this is a PAF but this isn't is kind of silly to me. I'll go back to the light bulb analogy. A bulb is a bulb. Sure, orange halloween bulbs aren't the first incandescant bulb invented, but we call them bulbs.

 

[Christopher Caruana]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

really they are called the PAF's because of the sticker on the back. what makes them so different and special were the parts and such used to build them. and as i said before they only wired them till full. in not sure if gibson actually had a patent on them or not even they didnt put it on there

 

[jeremy]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

seth lover has the pat for the humbucking pup, he was working at gibson in 1955 when he applied for it. the patent was granted in 1959

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat2896491.pdf

paf was never a real name for them, only a nickname. all paf's are humbuckers, not all humbuckers are paf's

 

[Christopher Caruana]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

seth lover has the pat for the humbucking pup, he was working at gibson in 1955 when he applied for it. the patent was granted in 1959

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat2896491.pdf

paf was never a real name for them, only a nickname. all paf's are humbuckers, not all humbuckers are paf's

like i said "just for the sticker" and gibson being such secretive, protective snobs they always have been and still are today

 

[The Usual]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

What was the patent for? Anyone know?

 

[PoorMan]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

What was the patent for? Anyone know?

The design/structure.

 

[Fusion1]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

The design/structure.

So it was just for the layout/composition of the humbucker but not necessarilly specifics as far as the alloy of the screws/slugs, magnet type or even wire type?

I guess a comparison would be to patent Cole Slaw. Patent in the same way it was for the humbucker (if I am correct here) would be:

1 ½ lb cabbage, quartered, cored and shredded
3 tablespoon vinegar
2/3 cup mayonnaise
1 small onion grated
2 medium carrot grated
¼ teaspoon salt or to taste

In a large mixing bowl, toss the cabbage with the vinegar and salt. Grate the carrots and optional onion directly into the bowl. Add the mayonnaise and toss well.

The slaw can be served immediately, but it is much better, more melded and tender, if allowed to stand and tossed occasionally for 30 minutes to 1 hour.

For a very limp slaw, refrigerate several hours or overnight.

Notice how it isn't specific on the kind of lettuce or onions. The same way I think the patent wouldn't be specfic about the type or strength of magnet it used. If I am wrong please post back.

 

[The Usual]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

Hilarious! Now patent the C major chord.

 

[PoorMan]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

So it was just for the layout/composition of the humbucker but not necessarilly specifics as far as the alloy of the screws/slugs, magnet type or even wire type?

Correct.

 

[Christopher Caruana]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

490 - #42
496 - #42
498 - #43

Awesome. Thanks! I think this means that the hybrid theory will work for the 498/490. I will now give it a try.

As for the whole PAF thing, was there a patent, or not? If there was, what was the patent for? Components, technology or both? I think you know where I'm going with this. If the patent was for the humbucking technology, then all humbuckers are PAFs. The whole this is a PAF but this isn't is kind of silly to me. I'll go back to the light bulb analogy. A bulb is a bulb. Sure, orange halloween bulbs aren't the first incandescant bulb invented, but we call them bulbs.

so what would happen if you combined a bobbin with 42 wire and a bobbin with 43 wire?

 

[The Usual]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

I'm pretty sure that's the idea behind the Custom/59 hybrid. According to the thread on the subject, posted by bachtorock

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Hybrid - Gibson - 10K PAF?

so what would happen if you combined a bobbin with 42 wire and a bobbin with 43 wire?

People do it all the time in here, they call it a hybrid. My opinion is on a bridge pu, make the slug coil the 43 coil for best results. Also a 10k pickup that's part 43 will not be as beefy as a 10k with all-42 because the 43 coil will be smaller and have fewer turns of wire.

Other notes:

The patent is for the humbucker design that gets rid of the 60-cycle hum, not for any materials used.

What is considered handwinding does NOT preclude the use of a winding machine. When people say "handwound" it really means hand-guided, the traverse of the wire back and forth on the bobbin is guided by hand as the bobbin spins.