Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyrs?

Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

There have been a ton of threads about this lately and I wanted to gauge the opinion of the crowd.

If you had the kind of money to build a $9,000 dream guitar... would you?

Because in my eyes, $9000 gets me three or four used Gibsons, two or three used Fenders, and probably a Rickenbacker or something like that... which, in my opinion, is way more useful than one custom shop Strat.

I am prepared to catch flak for this statement because I've got a Les Paul Custom and not three Les Paul Studios, but in my opinion that's a different part of the spectrum. The quality improvement from a $700 guitar to a $2000 guitar is substantial. But from $2000 to $9000? Besides exotic woods, Zephyrs, or crazy ornate inlays, I can't think of a single reason for a non-vintage, non-collectible guitar to be anywhere near that price-range. Not to mention, my Les Paul Custom is valued the same today as it was when I bought it two years ago... you'd be lucky to get half of what you paid for a new, one-off Fender Custom Shop guitar on the used market.

So what's the word? When does the law of diminishing returns take over? What's the most you would spend on the guitar of your dreams?

Hmmm does this Fender Strat come with a narrow, thin, and 7.25 radius neck? 24 inch scale?
A very hard find...unless you go custom? :?:
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

It's all relative. Am I so stinking rich that $9000 is just pocket change for me or do I have $9000 available for an instrument purchase because I have two jobs and could, skipping lunches and eating ramen for a decade, spend that much on a guitar?

If it's the first, then I'm probably hunting down a late 1964 or early 1965 black or fiesta red Stratocaster. If it's a 65, then might as well let it be one of the rare ones with neck binding. I probably will have to put some more money into it, but hey, I'm stinking rich. Then I'd go and fund the manufacture of 50% efficiency solar panels, the transformation of the Gulf coast gas import plants into shale export plants and pay Steve Vai, Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson to go teach guitar once a week at a couple of public schools just to make myself feel better.

If it's the second, I'd stop being a dumbass, buy a great guitar by any standard (MIA Fender/Gibson USA), a good rig, and stop feeding myself that doll noodle crap.
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

i'd buy the all original 1966 335 in the pawn shop i played yesterday, and spend the other 500 on a night out with my girlfriend.
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

There have been a ton of threads about this lately and I wanted to gauge the opinion of the crowd.

If you had the kind of money to build a $9,000 dream guitar... would you?
Sure. I bet I'd be able to furnish a bare bones workshop for that, and build. Myself.

Because in my eyes, $9000 gets me three or four used Gibsons, two or three used Fenders, and probably a Rickenbacker or something like that... which, in my opinion, is way more useful than one custom shop Strat.
Yeah, so what? High-end products do not compete on a usability-for-money basis like cheaper stuff. Their value is often based mostly on limited availability and exclusive traits. Think of something carved from a single huge slab of brazilian rosewood, in zero gravity conditions. Think of having a celebrity draw a smiley face on top of the body. Think of custom engineering a piece of hardware... not! $9k could easily be not enough for that.

I am prepared to catch flak for this statement because I've got a Les Paul Custom and not three Les Paul Studios, but in my opinion that's a different part of the spectrum. The quality improvement from a $700 guitar to a $2000 guitar is substantial. But from $2000 to $9000?
How about rarity improvement? Say you want a 10th-dan master builder to forge a fiddle for you, you'll find out soon that there is only a handful of people in the world constituting that elite. Most probably, they don't work for $5 or $15 per hour. These guys have the luxury of choosing a price tag on their craft and know-how. Some of them might think they are worth $1500 an hour and actually make it happen. Mr Dumble is a living proof of that, and the fact he's known for building amps rather than guitars, is completely irrelevant. What is relevant, is that up there, on the very pinnacle of this trade pyramid, it might as well be the consumers competing with each other for a place in line, to have something made by the one and only Mister X.

Besides exotic woods, Zephyrs, or crazy ornate inlays, I can't think of a single reason for a non-vintage, non-collectible guitar to be anywhere near that price-range. Not to mention, my Les Paul Custom is valued the same today as it was when I bought it two years ago... you'd be lucky to get half of what you paid for a new, one-off Fender Custom Shop guitar on the used market.
Exotic woods and crazy inlays don't belong on a strat or tele. That's russian style a'la Shishkov. Moreover, once you change just two important design features, you might come up with a different guitar altogether, e.g. an otherwise normal strat with an all-access neck joint and a Schaller tremolo that does not sound like a "proper", "orthodox" Fender anymore. If in doubt, consult Eric Johnson.

Inlaying is hardly anything like the tedious handcraft it used to be. It is more about paying for a nice cnc mill, for the space it takes and electricity it uses, for its transport and service and spare parts, then paying a computer geek to program the machine and paying their boss for owning them both. And their boss. But it sells, so Paul Reed Smith does it.

A Les Paul Custom is valued so-and-so mostly because there is demand for them. Sorry, if I hurt anyone's feelings by saying that, but second-hand prices are driven by herd mentality. Does your LP Custom have acrylic inlays by any chance?

So what's the word? When does the law of diminishing returns take over? What's the most you would spend on the guitar of your dreams?
I don't like the idea of spending a fortune on a toy. But then, my idea of a fortune is another man's idea of pocket change.
 
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Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

Any chance of a non-customized guitar coming with a narrow, thin, and 7.25 radius neck? 24 inch scale?
Seems like some of the metal guitars come with thin necks but they are also wide. Some of the Fenders come with 7.25 necks.....although not many these days....and the few that do seem to have relatively chunky necks (not thin at all). When you add a request to have something smaller than a 25.5 scale (i.e. 24 inch) it seems hard to find a guitar with all of these elements (in one guitar). Seems like most players prefer their strings spread out - and everyone plays at least a little lead or picks.....just didn't know most electric players would not want their strings as close together as feasible.

Whether custom built or not, I'd really like to know if there is such a guitar already built?
Thanks!
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

If I had that nine thousand Dollars and I were a US citizen, I would bribe my local senator to introduce legislation against feeding trolls. :D
 
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I have two questions. 1.) How much are you planning to spend on this guitar do you have a budget or limit? 2.) How long have you been playing and what guitars have you played and owned?
 
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I have two questions. 1.) How much are you planning to spend on this guitar do you have a budget or limit? 2.) How long have you been playing and what guitars have you played and owned?

I think I've been playing since maybe 4th grade or so? Just never got into repairing or trading or customizing. Aside from jamming and playing in a couple bands, I've taught music for years now and have had opportunities to play many guitars. I have a couple acoustics too. The best feeling guitar so far is maybe the EC Signature by Fender.
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

With $9,000 to spend, I'd fly to Germany to be Zerberus's apprentice and make my own dream guitar with him as a teacher.
 
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i'd almost pay 9K to see the look on your face when you arrive in germany and realise he has nothing to do with zerberus guitars
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

Hmmm does this Fender Strat come with a narrow, thin, and 7.25 radius neck? 24 inch scale?
A very hard find...unless you go custom? :?:

Have you ever played a guitar with a narrow thin 7.25" radius neck and 24" scale??
 
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I remember reading one of his posts where he shared he had a good business going before and one day he might start up again. He later made clear he had nothing to do with the Zerberus website. Too bad he's not making guitars anymore.
 
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I'd spend the $9000 on tools to make my life easier when building my dream guitars. Well not the whole 9k I'd probably stockpile a bit of wood to, especially that darn rosewood it's getting damn expensive these days. Maybe some ebony to.
 
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LMAO!! I'm currently building a custom tele w/ Zephyrs. 10k was the starting pt on the commish....lol this fooker might take me a YEAR and if he don't like it I EAT IT.
 
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Is cola that cheap up in the great white north? Here its like 100 euro for a gram. 9k would get you about 1/4th a kg

25 a gm here (in the Heights). Right from the jungle. Haven't been a slave to the white monster for 20yrs now ,, lol
 
Re: Hypothetical: Have Fender Custom Shop Build The Best HSS Strat with Duncan Zephyr

If I had $9k specifically to blow on gear I'd probably order a few custom guitars from Will Stinnett, and a few amps from Dave Friedman and pick out a neat pedal or two with the couple hundred $$ left over.

I don't know that I'd ever spend $9k on a single piece unless I owned my own studio and it was an expensive central piece of audio gear, or a vintage guitar that I simply could not possibly live without - I'm talking about the kind of guitar that you play once and it haunts you at night.
 
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LMAO!! I'm currently building a custom tele w/ Zephyrs. 10k was the starting pt on the commish....lol this fooker might take me a YEAR and if he don't like it I EAT IT.

Are you customizing full time? How many others are you able to work on during the year? Best of luck....and let us know how the Zephs turn out for your customer.
 
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I thought that went without saying.
 
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