I Can Haz Hearing Aid?
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LLL
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I will claim Buck Dharma's solo (the final solo) for myself. I will replicate it.
I'll do other solos, but I just want to claim that one for now. I've always thought (even way back when it first came out) that was the tastiest solo of the whole bunch.
Countless repeated listenings (I've heard the tune and seen the vid so many times) and my opinion is the same.
I will claim Buck Dharma's solo (the final solo) for myself. I will replicate it.
I'll do other solos, but I just want to claim that one for now. I've always thought (even way back when it first came out) that was the tastiest solo of the whole bunch.
Countless repeated listenings (I've heard the tune and seen the vid so many times) and my opinion is the same.
LLL
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Yeah, I remember seeing the "premier" of Last In Line video... blew my mind. DIO conjured up a fire-breathing dragon with that Campbell kid. :lol:
Yeah, I remember seeing the "premier" of Last In Line video... blew my mind. DIO conjured up a fire-breathing dragon with that Campbell kid. :lol:
LLL
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Neal Schon is/was the guitarist for Journey and earlier in his teens played with Santana.
He's also been in some one-album "super"groups like Bad English, HSAS, Hardline, etc...
Neal Schon is/was the guitarist for Journey and earlier in his teens played with Santana.
He's also been in some one-album "super"groups like Bad English, HSAS, Hardline, etc...
LLL
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You can do either... your own solo or a solo cover.
All in a particular time frame ("chunk").
You can do either... your own solo or a solo cover.
All in a particular time frame ("chunk").
dpaterson
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Well this to be discussed and agreed upon by the individual guitarists.
My personal plan was to find the same number of guitarists as in the original and cover each guitarist’s solo verbatim (subject to the below). If we didn’t find the same number of guitarists to participate then either the entire solo was shortened proportionately or our guitarists would have to cover more than one of the original guitarists (the latter being preferable in my opinion).
@LLL should comment here on his ideas on this I think. But input and comment from all concerned both current (@greekdude) and potential participants would be most welcome.
Regarding verbatim copying of the solos (there must be a correct word for “verbatim” here???):
I mentioned to “make this our own”. By this I mean’t something like the Metal Allegiance collaboration of “We Rock”. In my opinion nobody in that video was trying to cover Dio EXACT, some liberties were taken with the solo and the arrangement of the solo, that type of thing. But since starting to separate these solos out I’m wondering if maybe this thing should not be covered EXACT. That is WAY more difficult and represents a huge challenge. But if pulled off: good experience and major bragging rights. To actually remember each (your) solo and then for everyone to come in and finish at the right times in such a way that everything flows and doesn’t end up sounding disjointed is no mean feat. And as good as our dude in the videos is: remember he is playing along with the original so has audible reminders and prompts for each solo. Big difference if you’re doing this with a pure backing track.
But those are my thoughts is all. I’d just like to get the whole thing down on video i.e. I’ll just stitch all the pieces together into the one song that doesn’t look or sound disjointed (which in and of itself is not going to be simple given that this will be different footage and different audio from a number of very different sources i.e. the original was put together in the same studio being monitored every step of the way).
P.S.
My post above was being typed while @LLL was already responding so do take all in context.
Well this to be discussed and agreed upon by the individual guitarists.
My personal plan was to find the same number of guitarists as in the original and cover each guitarist’s solo verbatim (subject to the below). If we didn’t find the same number of guitarists to participate then either the entire solo was shortened proportionately or our guitarists would have to cover more than one of the original guitarists (the latter being preferable in my opinion).
@LLL should comment here on his ideas on this I think. But input and comment from all concerned both current (@greekdude) and potential participants would be most welcome.
Regarding verbatim copying of the solos (there must be a correct word for “verbatim” here???):
I mentioned to “make this our own”. By this I mean’t something like the Metal Allegiance collaboration of “We Rock”. In my opinion nobody in that video was trying to cover Dio EXACT, some liberties were taken with the solo and the arrangement of the solo, that type of thing. But since starting to separate these solos out I’m wondering if maybe this thing should not be covered EXACT. That is WAY more difficult and represents a huge challenge. But if pulled off: good experience and major bragging rights. To actually remember each (your) solo and then for everyone to come in and finish at the right times in such a way that everything flows and doesn’t end up sounding disjointed is no mean feat. And as good as our dude in the videos is: remember he is playing along with the original so has audible reminders and prompts for each solo. Big difference if you’re doing this with a pure backing track.
But those are my thoughts is all. I’d just like to get the whole thing down on video i.e. I’ll just stitch all the pieces together into the one song that doesn’t look or sound disjointed (which in and of itself is not going to be simple given that this will be different footage and different audio from a number of very different sources i.e. the original was put together in the same studio being monitored every step of the way).
P.S.
My post above was being typed while @LLL was already responding so do take all in context.
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Gtrjunior
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So, just my opinion but I find it much more impressive to create your own solo than to copy somebody else.
Copying does little to increase your knowledge/skill set imo. Learning to create your own within the confines of the key, I feel is much more conducive to furthering your own playing.
I’m not saying that copying is easier or anything, but when I go see a live band (cover band) the last thing I want to see/hear is a verbatim recreation of a song. I want to hear the musicians let the song breathe and to become something more than a carbon copy.
If I wanted to hear an exact recreation, I’d just stay home and listen to YouTube.
So, just my opinion but I find it much more impressive to create your own solo than to copy somebody else.
Copying does little to increase your knowledge/skill set imo. Learning to create your own within the confines of the key, I feel is much more conducive to furthering your own playing.
I’m not saying that copying is easier or anything, but when I go see a live band (cover band) the last thing I want to see/hear is a verbatim recreation of a song. I want to hear the musicians let the song breathe and to become something more than a carbon copy.
If I wanted to hear an exact recreation, I’d just stay home and listen to YouTube.
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Ok so breaking down of the solos has been done. Check.
Now we need a decent backing track that covers the original (the long version, with the intro clean part included). I tried to put Dale's backing track along with the original in my DAW and there was no way I could get them synchronized. I (personally) am non-pro musician, not even hitech amateur , I work on Linux with Ardour and that's all. So no fancy Mac/MS programs here. Best case Riffstation under wine emulation.
So, what's the next step? Dale where do we record? Weekend is coming, kids and wifey are gonna be sleeping, now its the time for some action!
Ok so breaking down of the solos has been done. Check.
Now we need a decent backing track that covers the original (the long version, with the intro clean part included). I tried to put Dale's backing track along with the original in my DAW and there was no way I could get them synchronized. I (personally) am non-pro musician, not even hitech amateur , I work on Linux with Ardour and that's all. So no fancy Mac/MS programs here. Best case Riffstation under wine emulation.
So, what's the next step? Dale where do we record? Weekend is coming, kids and wifey are gonna be sleeping, now its the time for some action!
dpaterson
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Well maybe a mixture i.e. as @LLL says it is a choice??? I suppose: think “WE’RE Stars” with the emphasis on “WE”. The song definitely does lend itself well to originality where the solos are concerned let’s face it. I for one cannot remember each and every original solo as one continuous chunk of the song (this being different from one song with one solo that fits and that you’ve practiced and are used to hearing).
Good point(s). Suppose you’re right. Just thinking again of Metal Allegiance. The solo parts are not exact by any means. But they are recognizable in the context of the song and have the same nuances as the original not???
Well maybe a mixture i.e. as @LLL says it is a choice??? I suppose: think “WE’RE Stars” with the emphasis on “WE”. The song definitely does lend itself well to originality where the solos are concerned let’s face it. I for one cannot remember each and every original solo as one continuous chunk of the song (this being different from one song with one solo that fits and that you’ve practiced and are used to hearing).
dpaterson
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Not done with separating ALL the solos as yet.
Alright. Time for me to do some serious work. I’ve only been messing around with that one MIDI track and I’m not sure if it’s the right one to use or the closest we can find to the original. Will spend some time on this now. Depending on what’s available we may have to compromise and adjust accordingly though. Or I can create an entire new MIDI backing track which is our own but do bear in mind that is definitely going to take some time. I could use Melodyne Studio to convert the original audio to MIDI but I know that there is a L-O-T of editing to be done to the resultant MIDI track i.e. it’s by no means a simple audio to MiDI conversion.
More to follow...
Really love your enthusiasm. It’s great.
Not done with separating ALL the solos as yet.
Alright. Time for me to do some serious work. I’ve only been messing around with that one MIDI track and I’m not sure if it’s the right one to use or the closest we can find to the original. Will spend some time on this now. Depending on what’s available we may have to compromise and adjust accordingly though. Or I can create an entire new MIDI backing track which is our own but do bear in mind that is definitely going to take some time. I could use Melodyne Studio to convert the original audio to MIDI but I know that there is a L-O-T of editing to be done to the resultant MIDI track i.e. it’s by no means a simple audio to MiDI conversion.
More to follow...
LLL
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Backing track -
For the drums, I dig what you did earlier... why not use that MIDI score fed into your drum program (but change tempo to 110)?
Backing track -
For the drums, I dig what you did earlier... why not use that MIDI score fed into your drum program (but change tempo to 110)?
LLL
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For the distorted rhythm, I think it would be interesting if you play the rhythm all the way through (mono), and I do the same (mono).
Then we can combine both panned wide L and wide R.
For the distorted rhythm, I think it would be interesting if you play the rhythm all the way through (mono), and I do the same (mono).
Then we can combine both panned wide L and wide R.
LLL
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Lots of logistics here...
Firstly, someone's going to have to do DAW work and put all the contributions together with the backing track.
Those who contribute solos will need to do so by giving the above DAW person just the solo track (not solo track + backing). Obviously, we can't add a clip that has a solo and the backing track because that will be layered on top of the backing track. Gotta think studio-wise...
We'll need the raw .WAV file if possible... Google drive is a great way to share bigger files.
Solo contributors could add their own effects (delay etc whatever) to their tracks, or they could choose to record dry and let the DAW person add studio FX.
As far as whether covering the solos vs. doing your own solos, I'm cool with either way or a combination thereof.
Lots of logistics here...
Firstly, someone's going to have to do DAW work and put all the contributions together with the backing track.
Those who contribute solos will need to do so by giving the above DAW person just the solo track (not solo track + backing). Obviously, we can't add a clip that has a solo and the backing track because that will be layered on top of the backing track. Gotta think studio-wise...
We'll need the raw .WAV file if possible... Google drive is a great way to share bigger files.
Solo contributors could add their own effects (delay etc whatever) to their tracks, or they could choose to record dry and let the DAW person add studio FX.
As far as whether covering the solos vs. doing your own solos, I'm cool with either way or a combination thereof.
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This way we may obtain a certain level of parallelism (/concurrency) so that the solos are prepared and submitted independently and concurrently with the basis which will be the backing track + bass. Then we add the rythm guitars, then the vocals, and finally the DAW persons puts everything together.
hmmmm
maybe we add the rythm indepndently as well?? I am afraid that remembering all rythm just by listening to the bass will be kind of hard. So If e.g. I listen to the original and record the following tracks :
1) clean + rythm
2) yngwie 1
3) yngwie 2
and any others that might come along
would be OK, I guess.
This way we may obtain a certain level of parallelism (/concurrency) so that the solos are prepared and submitted independently and concurrently with the basis which will be the backing track + bass. Then we add the rythm guitars, then the vocals, and finally the DAW persons puts everything together.
hmmmm
maybe we add the rythm indepndently as well?? I am afraid that remembering all rythm just by listening to the bass will be kind of hard. So If e.g. I listen to the original and record the following tracks :
1) clean + rythm
2) yngwie 1
3) yngwie 2
and any others that might come along
would be OK, I guess.
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dpaterson
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I'm keen to do the DAW and video editing work.
I agree with everything said. Only thing I'd like to insist on is that all recordings are made at 48kHz/32-bit IEEE Float (the 48kHz simply being because the end result of this is hopefully going to be video) .WAV format which, unfortunately, will result in some large files.
In addition to the above: are you guys going to make your videos at the same time or are you happy to try overdubs (effectively miming)??? Or: would you rather like to get an audio track out first and we can worry about the video at a later stage???
As far as FX goes: use your own FX and let's see how it all stitches together. If there are problems each can just go back and remove or edit their FX and create another recording is all.
I'm going to render out the entire MIDI file that I'm using and will upload shortly (with any further applicable explanations).
This is the type of thing I've been getting to.
I'm keen to do the DAW and video editing work.
I agree with everything said. Only thing I'd like to insist on is that all recordings are made at 48kHz/32-bit IEEE Float (the 48kHz simply being because the end result of this is hopefully going to be video) .WAV format which, unfortunately, will result in some large files.
In addition to the above: are you guys going to make your videos at the same time or are you happy to try overdubs (effectively miming)??? Or: would you rather like to get an audio track out first and we can worry about the video at a later stage???
As far as FX goes: use your own FX and let's see how it all stitches together. If there are problems each can just go back and remove or edit their FX and create another recording is all.
I'm going to render out the entire MIDI file that I'm using and will upload shortly (with any further applicable explanations).
dpaterson
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Here (below) is the actual MIDI file (converted from Guitar Pro 7) that I've been using (for download).
I've gone through this file and I can tell you that somebody went to a LOT of trouble to create this thing. Only credits I can find in the Guitar Pro file is to someone or something called "Divined : Decayed".
Below the link are comments that are contained in the Guitar Pro file that may be of some help when matching the MIDI parts/audio/vocals/bass/guitar (you get the idea).
MIDI file download link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IY0Mhval_7PIGThUh3ahGm7rSBal7FV9. Tempo is 110.
The rendered audio file is busy uploading right now (comment edited out i.e. changed file format). Will furnish SoundCloud link in my next post (again with the necessary comments).
Comments from Guitar Pro file:
Here (below) is the actual MIDI file (converted from Guitar Pro 7) that I've been using (for download).
I've gone through this file and I can tell you that somebody went to a LOT of trouble to create this thing. Only credits I can find in the Guitar Pro file is to someone or something called "Divined : Decayed".
Below the link are comments that are contained in the Guitar Pro file that may be of some help when matching the MIDI parts/audio/vocals/bass/guitar (you get the idea).
MIDI file download link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IY0Mhval_7PIGThUh3ahGm7rSBal7FV9. Tempo is 110.
The rendered audio file is busy uploading right now (comment edited out i.e. changed file format). Will furnish SoundCloud link in my next post (again with the necessary comments).
Comments from Guitar Pro file:
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