baritone
New member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
As mentioned, positioning makes a big difference. Standing directly in front of a quad cab lets you hear really high treble frequencies which can't be heard from an angle. I encountered someone on a different forum who said he likes to daisy chain a bunch of 1x12s and spread them out around the stage facing different directions.
As mentioned, positioning makes a big difference. Standing directly in front of a quad cab lets you hear really high treble frequencies which can't be heard from an angle. I encountered someone on a different forum who said he likes to daisy chain a bunch of 1x12s and spread them out around the stage facing different directions.
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
That's a cool idea, lots of 12's all facing different direction. I could totally dig.
That's a cool idea, lots of 12's all facing different direction. I could totally dig.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
You quoted me out of context. I was replying to comments about Sunn O))) and Stoner Rock in general, which are music that requires a bottom heavy guitar tone, which you won't get out of some p*ssy 2x12.....
I suppose you could pull it off with a 2x12 if you had too.... but it'd suck in context to a full stack.
You quoted me out of context. I was replying to comments about Sunn O))) and Stoner Rock in general, which are music that requires a bottom heavy guitar tone, which you won't get out of some p*ssy 2x12.....
I suppose you could pull it off with a 2x12 if you had too.... but it'd suck in context to a full stack.
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: I dont understand full stacks
Back in the late 90's and early 21th century, I play the overseas music circuit in the far east and Holland.
Due to shipping/airline fees, we were always looking for cheaper ways to get our gear to locations and use as much of the house PA (Which almost always sucked).
I tried POD (No), Combination, programable pedals (No), small Mesa Boogies (Mark IV, DC-3, DC5, and DC-10) (No), Bassman, Twins, Bandmasters - Almost), Marshalls Cabinets / Heads (JTM's) (Loved the tone, but always too costly to keep shipping), and finally settled for a custom build amp.
Started playing Marshall bluesbreaker amps (Own vintage, modified RI, and am in the process of building a Ceriatone - without their transformers clone of the JTM-45)
Since then I have given away two amps to SD forum members, sold some gear, purchased some gear (Most notably - Celtics) and newer RI's.
Out of all these amps, I like the Marshall tone best for rock and Fender tweed for blues.
Favorite amp - Holland 'Little Jimi'.
Favorite music - JH & SRV, with a little ZZ just for fun.
Back in the late 90's and early 21th century, I play the overseas music circuit in the far east and Holland.
Due to shipping/airline fees, we were always looking for cheaper ways to get our gear to locations and use as much of the house PA (Which almost always sucked).
I tried POD (No), Combination, programable pedals (No), small Mesa Boogies (Mark IV, DC-3, DC5, and DC-10) (No), Bassman, Twins, Bandmasters - Almost), Marshalls Cabinets / Heads (JTM's) (Loved the tone, but always too costly to keep shipping), and finally settled for a custom build amp.
Started playing Marshall bluesbreaker amps (Own vintage, modified RI, and am in the process of building a Ceriatone - without their transformers clone of the JTM-45)
Since then I have given away two amps to SD forum members, sold some gear, purchased some gear (Most notably - Celtics) and newer RI's.
Out of all these amps, I like the Marshall tone best for rock and Fender tweed for blues.
Favorite amp - Holland 'Little Jimi'.
Favorite music - JH & SRV, with a little ZZ just for fun.
NoOnesFang13
New member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
i dont know i like some bass and i use a 2x12 that i built and i think the bass gets abit heavy past 4
i dont know i like some bass and i use a 2x12 that i built and i think the bass gets abit heavy past 4
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Skarekrough
Guest
Re: I dont understand full stacks
Thinking outside the box isn't very heavy metal.
Thinking outside the box isn't very heavy metal.
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
I disagree. Heavy metal is one of the most creative genres I know of, after hip-hop and punk rock.
I disagree. Heavy metal is one of the most creative genres I know of, after hip-hop and punk rock.
Rich_T
Kyuss_Rockologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
Not all heavy metal was made equal.
Welcome back.
Not all heavy metal was made equal.
Welcome back.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
I find 2x12's force me to turn the amp's bass up higher than is optimal, causing the overall tone to muddy up somewhat. A 4x12 lets me keep the bass knob set to a lower level while still achieving more overall bottom end than a 2x12 gives me.
I find 2x12's force me to turn the amp's bass up higher than is optimal, causing the overall tone to muddy up somewhat. A 4x12 lets me keep the bass knob set to a lower level while still achieving more overall bottom end than a 2x12 gives me.
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
I couldn't live without my 4x12'' - it sounds like God. It has so much depth and power that makes anything smaller sound anemic.
I couldn't live without my 4x12'' - it sounds like God. It has so much depth and power that makes anything smaller sound anemic.
Philcguitars
New member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
I love stacks, but!
Is it possible that, if you need LOADS of Bass or to that matter Treble, it may be an indication that you may have already suffered damage to you ears on one of those frequencies?
Only I have a stack on my wish list but, I like to hear!... I guess earplugs are the answer.
I love stacks, but!
Is it possible that, if you need LOADS of Bass or to that matter Treble, it may be an indication that you may have already suffered damage to you ears on one of those frequencies?
Only I have a stack on my wish list but, I like to hear!... I guess earplugs are the answer.
Rich_T
Kyuss_Rockologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
I think you misunderstood, maybe re-phrased as:
"all of which is music that requires a bottom heavy tone"
it makes more sense across the wires. I'm pretty sure that's what screamingdaisy meant, he's not one to make uneducated generalisations.
The likes of sunn really do require pretty hefty amplification to achieve their sound.
I think you misunderstood, maybe re-phrased as:
"all of which is music that requires a bottom heavy tone"
it makes more sense across the wires. I'm pretty sure that's what screamingdaisy meant, he's not one to make uneducated generalisations.
The likes of sunn really do require pretty hefty amplification to achieve their sound.
drpietrzak
New member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
They have never worked for me as I have had pa's and am a nobody so I do not play arenas. I am way more into small amps.
They have never worked for me as I have had pa's and am a nobody so I do not play arenas. I am way more into small amps.
drpietrzak
New member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
If I were to do that I would actually need ...
This is why you need a stack!!
If I were to do that I would actually need ...
James Rock
Active member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
Not sure if this has been mentioned but even if a 2x12 could sound like a full stack it limits your speaker options especially if you are running a cranked 100 watter. Take for example a greenback or G12H-30 the two classic speakers for vintage marshalls could not handle the clean power of a 100W plexi mind when its cranked where it exceeds this. Sure higher output speakers exist but they don't have the same tone as lower wattage speakers not better or worse just different.
Not sure if this has been mentioned but even if a 2x12 could sound like a full stack it limits your speaker options especially if you are running a cranked 100 watter. Take for example a greenback or G12H-30 the two classic speakers for vintage marshalls could not handle the clean power of a 100W plexi mind when its cranked where it exceeds this. Sure higher output speakers exist but they don't have the same tone as lower wattage speakers not better or worse just different.
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BadHairDayologist
Re: I dont understand full stacks
That's a good point James. I jammed with a kid about a year ago who was a really good guitarist, but was running a Marshall DSL100 into a 2x12 cab. He said if he turns it up past 3 the speakers will overload because they could only handle like 60 watts tops...so it's like, why even have a 100 watt head?
That's a good point James. I jammed with a kid about a year ago who was a really good guitarist, but was running a Marshall DSL100 into a 2x12 cab. He said if he turns it up past 3 the speakers will overload because they could only handle like 60 watts tops...so it's like, why even have a 100 watt head?
alex1fly
Well-known member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
For me, the only time i was totally satisfied with my tone was the one time I gigged with a buddy's Mesa 4x12. It was powered by just a Crate solid-state combo, but it was huge and satisfying in a very different way than a 2x12 or a miked cab - even without miking or cranking the amp. The mix sounded a ton better, it was easier to hear myself amongst my bandmates, it was very cool. This was even without monitors or anything in the PA but vocals and horns.
For me, the only time i was totally satisfied with my tone was the one time I gigged with a buddy's Mesa 4x12. It was powered by just a Crate solid-state combo, but it was huge and satisfying in a very different way than a 2x12 or a miked cab - even without miking or cranking the amp. The mix sounded a ton better, it was easier to hear myself amongst my bandmates, it was very cool. This was even without monitors or anything in the PA but vocals and horns.
alex1fly
Well-known member
Re: I dont understand full stacks
I like your description. :friday:
For me, the only time i was totally satisfied with my tone was the one time I gigged with a buddy's Mesa 4x12. It was powered by just a Crate solid-state combo, but it was huge and satisfying in a very different way than a 2x12 or a miked cab - even without miking or cranking the amp. The mix sounded a ton better, it was easier to hear myself amongst my bandmates, it was very cool. This was even without monitors or anything in the PA but vocals and horns.
I like your description. :friday:
For me, the only time i was totally satisfied with my tone was the one time I gigged with a buddy's Mesa 4x12. It was powered by just a Crate solid-state combo, but it was huge and satisfying in a very different way than a 2x12 or a miked cab - even without miking or cranking the amp. The mix sounded a ton better, it was easier to hear myself amongst my bandmates, it was very cool. This was even without monitors or anything in the PA but vocals and horns.
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