LedSabbath
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I have been wondering for quite a while why Gibson doesn't put 24-Frets on all there SG models. I mean the Neck Pickup is already moved close enough to the bridge for 24-Frets, so is there any real reason for this?
I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
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LedSabbath
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
But what I am asking is "why not all SG models?"
But what I am asking is "why not all SG models?"
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Mr. B
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I personally don't like 24 fret necks. Joe Satriani has commented on the same thing before in an interview. He even talks about it in relation to his new guitar with the single coil pickup at the neck. It does effect the tone to move the neck pickup down that far. Even my Ibanez S madels are 22 fret necks. My Jacksons are the only 24 fret guitars I own. 24 fret fretboards get too crowded up top for me to use the highest notes anyway.
I personally don't like 24 fret necks. Joe Satriani has commented on the same thing before in an interview. He even talks about it in relation to his new guitar with the single coil pickup at the neck. It does effect the tone to move the neck pickup down that far. Even my Ibanez S madels are 22 fret necks. My Jacksons are the only 24 fret guitars I own. 24 fret fretboards get too crowded up top for me to use the highest notes anyway.
JOLLY
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I'd say because most people that like and play Gibson guitars are used to playing and preferring 22 fret necks.
Mr. B
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Gibson did make some called "SG SUPREME" or something to that effect, that had 24 frets. That was quite a few years ago though. I don't think there are as many people wanting progress and new features on SG's and Les Pauls as there are wanting them to make them exactly like the use to.
Gibson did make some called "SG SUPREME" or something to that effect, that had 24 frets. That was quite a few years ago though. I don't think there are as many people wanting progress and new features on SG's and Les Pauls as there are wanting them to make them exactly like the use to.
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Seriously,
If you can't say what you want to say with 22 frets, 24 frets won't help.
I mean no disrespect, but I have seen and heard quite a bit here in my 59th year, and all of the licks, phrases, one note feedback at the right time that have given me the biggest thrills have all been below the 15th or 17th fret.
Think Clapton W/Mayall, Stevie Ray Vaughn, all the kings, especially my
favorite King-Albert. I think he only used 7 frets his whole life.
And the list is endless.
Steve Buffingt**
Seriously,
If you can't say what you want to say with 22 frets, 24 frets won't help.
I mean no disrespect, but I have seen and heard quite a bit here in my 59th year, and all of the licks, phrases, one note feedback at the right time that have given me the biggest thrills have all been below the 15th or 17th fret.
Think Clapton W/Mayall, Stevie Ray Vaughn, all the kings, especially my
favorite King-Albert. I think he only used 7 frets his whole life.
And the list is endless.
Steve Buffingt**
ItsaBass
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nicholaspaul
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24 frets is only two notes higher. Big whoop. I once played a Washburn with 29 frets and thought it ridiculous. It not exactly a feature.
Agileguy_101
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Not to **** on your umbrella (as much as I need to **** right now) but to many people, those guitarists are washed up old fuddy-duddies. Or dead. A lot of the kids that buy 24 fret guitars for the purpose of having the extra 24 frets don't even know who those guys are, and have a whole different set of guitar idols.
Personally, I'm usually fine with 21.
Not to **** on your umbrella (as much as I need to **** right now) but to many people, those guitarists are washed up old fuddy-duddies. Or dead. A lot of the kids that buy 24 fret guitars for the purpose of having the extra 24 frets don't even know who those guys are, and have a whole different set of guitar idols.
Personally, I'm usually fine with 21.
ItsaBass
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Because it looks weird and nobody but self-important jackasses play those notes anyhow.
But seriously, it's what I said before. It's because people keep buying the ones with fewer frets like hotcakes. If 24-fret models were in high demand, Gibson, being a money-making company, would no doubt make more of them.
Hell, my "best" antique guitar joins the body at the 12th fret!
Because it looks weird and nobody but self-important jackasses play those notes anyhow.
But seriously, it's what I said before. It's because people keep buying the ones with fewer frets like hotcakes. If 24-fret models were in high demand, Gibson, being a money-making company, would no doubt make more of them.
Hell, my "best" antique guitar joins the body at the 12th fret!
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
To Agileguy_101,
I guess that's why Jeff Beck sucks so bad. Of course! he's in his 60's.
What was the world thinking?
Almost all of humanity calls him the greatest living guitarist.
What could we all be thinking? He sure looks like a fuddy duddy every time he blows the lid off every venue he has ever played. He looks so silly getting standing ovations from the Crossroads Shows along truly great young players like J. Bonamassa who can play the blues scale faster and more often than even veteran youngsters like Johnny Lang.
You must be forgetting that you and your buddies wouldn't be playing without the knowledge of all those fuddy duddy's pass on.
Pagganinni is dead too. So he must suck as well.
Please someone else take over, attitudes like this make me tired.
For all I know this guy might be goading someone like me on purpose,for fun,
no one could be that stupid about age. No one who can play.
Don't bother Agile, I am too old to web-duke it out with you.
Oh yeah, Hendrix would be in his 60's also, good thing he passed on, he would be so mortified by insults from people like you,
love, steve b.
To Agileguy_101,
I guess that's why Jeff Beck sucks so bad. Of course! he's in his 60's.
What was the world thinking?
Almost all of humanity calls him the greatest living guitarist.
What could we all be thinking? He sure looks like a fuddy duddy every time he blows the lid off every venue he has ever played. He looks so silly getting standing ovations from the Crossroads Shows along truly great young players like J. Bonamassa who can play the blues scale faster and more often than even veteran youngsters like Johnny Lang.
You must be forgetting that you and your buddies wouldn't be playing without the knowledge of all those fuddy duddy's pass on.
Pagganinni is dead too. So he must suck as well.
Please someone else take over, attitudes like this make me tired.
For all I know this guy might be goading someone like me on purpose,for fun,
no one could be that stupid about age. No one who can play.
Don't bother Agile, I am too old to web-duke it out with you.
Oh yeah, Hendrix would be in his 60's also, good thing he passed on, he would be so mortified by insults from people like you,
love, steve b.
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I forgot to say that this business of old guys vs. new guys is getting
WAY off topic. I really wish we could talk as civilized people face to face
or at least on the phone.
I am actually curious of why you would say those things.
So unless you want to call me let's kill this antagonistic attitude and get back to 24 frets.
So: as far as 24 frets go, I still stand by what I said, regardless of age or style. So let's take that part out of the equation. Hetfeild-Beck, whomever the player is my point is still 22 frets is enough.
Hope that gets the thread back on track. This geezer is tired and it is 12:30 a.m.
Regards,
Steve buff.
I forgot to say that this business of old guys vs. new guys is getting
WAY off topic. I really wish we could talk as civilized people face to face
or at least on the phone.
I am actually curious of why you would say those things.
So unless you want to call me let's kill this antagonistic attitude and get back to 24 frets.
So: as far as 24 frets go, I still stand by what I said, regardless of age or style. So let's take that part out of the equation. Hetfeild-Beck, whomever the player is my point is still 22 frets is enough.
Hope that gets the thread back on track. This geezer is tired and it is 12:30 a.m.
Regards,
Steve buff.
RealtyViking
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
22 frets is just fine for a LP. The SG is made for 24 frets. The neck pickup is already moved toward the bridge. Plastic pick guard or additional two frets is a choice.
The Supreme and the CT (carved top) came with 24 frets.
Do you need them? ... no Would it be cool to get them stock? ... yes
I can only guess that Gibson is set up for 22 fret boards so that is what they use.
22 frets is just fine for a LP. The SG is made for 24 frets. The neck pickup is already moved toward the bridge. Plastic pick guard or additional two frets is a choice.
The Supreme and the CT (carved top) came with 24 frets.
Do you need them? ... no Would it be cool to get them stock? ... yes
I can only guess that Gibson is set up for 22 fret boards so that is what they use.
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JonnyG92
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Steve, I don't think he meant any offense, just saying that when the older guys were young they were listening to the now-old guys, SRV, JB, Hendrix, Clapton, etc. and now, kids that are buying their first guitar (some cheapo Ibanez or a br00taLz jackson JS) are doing it so they can sound like their idols from Asking Alexandria (Barf.), A Day to Remember (Yuck.), Avenged Sevenfold (Seriously?), and the crappy like.
I know that when I picked up a guitar, I had no idea who Jason Becker was or why I should care, I just wanted to sound like "That one guy from the band Muse, Matt I think."
When you're young and naive you think "Twenty-four frets?! Alright! I'm gonna rawk the house down now! Can't wait to see how I'm going to add a 24th fret E to my power chords but I'll figure it out somehow!"
That's exactly what I thought when I bought my Jackson SLSMG. I love the guitar to death, but I actually play my Squier more.
So yeah, the short of the matter is, new music is being promoted and kids are picking the first influence to base their sound on. And if their up-and-coming idol plays a 24-fret guitar, you can bet they're going to as well.
Steve, I don't think he meant any offense, just saying that when the older guys were young they were listening to the now-old guys, SRV, JB, Hendrix, Clapton, etc. and now, kids that are buying their first guitar (some cheapo Ibanez or a br00taLz jackson JS) are doing it so they can sound like their idols from Asking Alexandria (Barf.), A Day to Remember (Yuck.), Avenged Sevenfold (Seriously?), and the crappy like.
I know that when I picked up a guitar, I had no idea who Jason Becker was or why I should care, I just wanted to sound like "That one guy from the band Muse, Matt I think."
When you're young and naive you think "Twenty-four frets?! Alright! I'm gonna rawk the house down now! Can't wait to see how I'm going to add a 24th fret E to my power chords but I'll figure it out somehow!"
That's exactly what I thought when I bought my Jackson SLSMG. I love the guitar to death, but I actually play my Squier more.
So yeah, the short of the matter is, new music is being promoted and kids are picking the first influence to base their sound on. And if their up-and-coming idol plays a 24-fret guitar, you can bet they're going to as well.
KeeperOS
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Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I can understand where the OP is coming from.
In most guitar designs you actually NEED to move the neck pickup lower to acommodate the 24 frets since it 22 fretted guitars the north bobbin of the neck pickup sits EXACTLY bellow where the 24th fret would.
I remember I had a DiMarzio Fast Track in my Strat's neck and whenever I wanted to fret that high E I'd actually fret the neck pickup's north blade pole!!! It sat EXACTLY where the 24th fret would!
However, SGs are different, the neck pickup is already low enough and all you needed was to put an extra piece of fretboard and two frets where there's currently a piece of plastic. Not many people would use it but it wouldn't ruin ANYTHING to those that wouldn't. It'd just sit there.
In this case, I'd side with ItsaBass for the answer. Apparently most guitarists (myself excluded) are incredibly stuck, wanting things the way they were 50 years ago.
It's stupid but that's just the way it is...
I can understand where the OP is coming from.
In most guitar designs you actually NEED to move the neck pickup lower to acommodate the 24 frets since it 22 fretted guitars the north bobbin of the neck pickup sits EXACTLY bellow where the 24th fret would.
I remember I had a DiMarzio Fast Track in my Strat's neck and whenever I wanted to fret that high E I'd actually fret the neck pickup's north blade pole!!! It sat EXACTLY where the 24th fret would!
However, SGs are different, the neck pickup is already low enough and all you needed was to put an extra piece of fretboard and two frets where there's currently a piece of plastic. Not many people would use it but it wouldn't ruin ANYTHING to those that wouldn't. It'd just sit there.
In this case, I'd side with ItsaBass for the answer. Apparently most guitarists (myself excluded) are incredibly stuck, wanting things the way they were 50 years ago.
It's stupid but that's just the way it is...