Blue_Fingers_Jay
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...This might be overkill:
http://www.aquawicket.com/ultimateguitar/
I don't like the tone knobs position.
http://www.aquawicket.com/ultimateguitar/
I don't like the tone knobs position.
I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
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Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
I like weird stuff too, but that top photo is Photo-Shop-ed and the bottom graphics are all stolen from Seymour Duncan. Not cool.
For the record, I emailed Evan, many moons ago, and got permission to incorporate sections of Duncan diagrams in my some of drawings, which I use exclusively in this forum. And, as per Evan's request, I add the "Property of Seymour Duncan . . . " line to those drawings.
Although, I have accidently left that line off of a couple. :banghead:
I like weird stuff too, but that top photo is Photo-Shop-ed and the bottom graphics are all stolen from Seymour Duncan. Not cool.
For the record, I emailed Evan, many moons ago, and got permission to incorporate sections of Duncan diagrams in my some of drawings, which I use exclusively in this forum. And, as per Evan's request, I add the "Property of Seymour Duncan . . . " line to those drawings.
Although, I have accidently left that line off of a couple. :banghead:
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MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
That diagram really isn't that complex... each circuit for the three pickups is virtually the same, save "neck on" switch. What's complex is the operation of the **** thing.
There's an art to wild or complex wiring schemes. Getting a bajillion different schemes isn't difficult. What's difficult is making them efficient to manipulate or appear stock.
Sexy is 40 tones out of a stock looking LP. Sexy is getting 9 usable tones with two pickups and two simple switches. Sexy is 12 tones out of a stock looking tele. Sexy is not a guitar clumsily loaded with 3 toggles, a 5-way, and 6 push/pull pots, three of which installed in a tacky looking and likely goofy operating manner.
This has to fall well short of the 342 combinations promised, too.
That diagram really isn't that complex... each circuit for the three pickups is virtually the same, save "neck on" switch. What's complex is the operation of the **** thing.
There's an art to wild or complex wiring schemes. Getting a bajillion different schemes isn't difficult. What's difficult is making them efficient to manipulate or appear stock.
Sexy is 40 tones out of a stock looking LP. Sexy is getting 9 usable tones with two pickups and two simple switches. Sexy is 12 tones out of a stock looking tele. Sexy is not a guitar clumsily loaded with 3 toggles, a 5-way, and 6 push/pull pots, three of which installed in a tacky looking and likely goofy operating manner.
This has to fall well short of the 342 combinations promised, too.
DazH
New member
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
It looks horriffic to be quite honest & soooo many of those tones will be unaudibly different. I'm in the process of scaling down my wirings now that i'm starting to figure out which tones I use & which I dont.
I honestly think that's the best way to do things, just drill a cheap scratchplate for loads of possibilities & then scale it down on a new one.
It looks horriffic to be quite honest & soooo many of those tones will be unaudibly different. I'm in the process of scaling down my wirings now that i'm starting to figure out which tones I use & which I dont.
I honestly think that's the best way to do things, just drill a cheap scratchplate for loads of possibilities & then scale it down on a new one.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
This isn't quite ready for prime-time yet, because its untested, but this seems like a good place to slip it in. I hope to have it tested this weekend.
Artie's HSH system
This isn't quite ready for prime-time yet, because its untested, but this seems like a good place to slip it in. I hope to have it tested this weekend.
Artie's HSH system
68 lost souls
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Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
To be honest, this is the wiring I have been looking for for years, if you remember arty about a year or 2 back I was looking for a wiring just like this except I was gonna have it looking alot sleeker. I may still look into this but tidy it up a little. You could get rid of the 5 way by putting all the pickups on an on off at the spare two pots and then move 3 switchs to where the 5 way was.
To be honest, this is the wiring I have been looking for for years, if you remember arty about a year or 2 back I was looking for a wiring just like this except I was gonna have it looking alot sleeker. I may still look into this but tidy it up a little. You could get rid of the 5 way by putting all the pickups on an on off at the spare two pots and then move 3 switchs to where the 5 way was.
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MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
FTR: 171 tones by my count... exactly half of what was promised... I could be missing something obvious, or they included a lot of duplicate positions in the 5-way's position 4.
Sure, that's a lot of tones... I don't know how usable they'd all be, but I do know it would be a big pain to go from the combination of all three on with all three with their individual coils in series with the middle pickup out of phase to the combination of neck and bridge with their individual coils in parallel with the neck pickup out of phase... that's 4 switches to flip. Yikes.
FTR: 171 tones by my count... exactly half of what was promised... I could be missing something obvious, or they included a lot of duplicate positions in the 5-way's position 4.
Sure, that's a lot of tones... I don't know how usable they'd all be, but I do know it would be a big pain to go from the combination of all three on with all three with their individual coils in series with the middle pickup out of phase to the combination of neck and bridge with their individual coils in parallel with the neck pickup out of phase... that's 4 switches to flip. Yikes.
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
Hey Artie... speaking of diagrams that aren't quite ready for the prime time...
Not to be the proverbial thorn in the side, just wondering if you gave up.
I'll eventually get around to it just to see if it works. It's not even a big deal because that guitar is currently sans neck anyway. Just curious.
Hey Artie... speaking of diagrams that aren't quite ready for the prime time...
Not to be the proverbial thorn in the side, just wondering if you gave up.
I'll eventually get around to it just to see if it works. It's not even a big deal because that guitar is currently sans neck anyway. Just curious.
68 lost souls
New member
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
Not quite sure what you mean. I'm gueesing this is a wiring you drew up and he stole and is claiming as his?
EDIT I see what you mean Artie, you posted a link to yours as I was writing that post Im refering to his.
Not quite sure what you mean. I'm gueesing this is a wiring you drew up and he stole and is claiming as his?
EDIT I see what you mean Artie, you posted a link to yours as I was writing that post Im refering to his.
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68 lost souls
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Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
Would this be better?
Would this be better?
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benji657
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Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
oh my god, got enough knobs on that one?
and i thought "Steve vai's wizardry" with 1 HB 1 single and 1 HB was insane..
oh my god, got enough knobs on that one?
and i thought "Steve vai's wizardry" with 1 HB 1 single and 1 HB was insane..
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
I hate the idea of having 6 pots. And That's just as cumbersome, IMO, of course.
In theory you'd only need two phase reversal switches, so if you combined the pots and ran three concentric pots you could run three on/on/on switches for series/split/parallel, two DPDT mini-toggles for phase reversal, and one DPDT mini as a neck on switch... all the while keeping the 5 way switch. That would clean the face up a lot, and rid you of a few switches. It's still a mess.
I hate the idea of having 6 pots. And That's just as cumbersome, IMO, of course.
In theory you'd only need two phase reversal switches, so if you combined the pots and ran three concentric pots you could run three on/on/on switches for series/split/parallel, two DPDT mini-toggles for phase reversal, and one DPDT mini as a neck on switch... all the while keeping the 5 way switch. That would clean the face up a lot, and rid you of a few switches. It's still a mess.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
I didn't give up per se, I just haven't had time to work on it since my first go 'round. And my first shot was intense.
I don't think it can be done . . . and thats hard for me to swallow. I'll chew on it some more this week. I've got a ball-buster challenge at work that's draining my "casual" work. I've got a few forum bro's, who's requests are in hiatus 'til I get this worked out.
Not to be the proverbial thorn in the side, just wondering if you gave up.
I didn't give up per se, I just haven't had time to work on it since my first go 'round. And my first shot was intense.
I don't think it can be done . . . and thats hard for me to swallow. I'll chew on it some more this week. I've got a ball-buster challenge at work that's draining my "casual" work. I've got a few forum bro's, who's requests are in hiatus 'til I get this worked out.
68 lost souls
New member
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
Well which do you think looks best A or B?
Well which do you think looks best A or B?
danglybanger
ReelItInologist
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
...needs individual pickups switches, a 5 way is too limiting
...needs individual pickups switches, a 5 way is too limiting
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: I love crazy complex wirings as much as anybody but...
I agree, some of this could be consolidated & still give dozens of options. The tone knobs could be push-pulls & eliminate the mini-toggles. One phase switch is usually enough, three is overkill & doesn't give much more.
I personally like complicated wiring, but part of the "art" is making the top of the guitar not look like the cockpit of an airliner. If you can keep it more subtle in appearance, you pleasantly surprise people. If you have knobs & switches everywhere, it looks less like an instrument & more like a machine.
I agree, some of this could be consolidated & still give dozens of options. The tone knobs could be push-pulls & eliminate the mini-toggles. One phase switch is usually enough, three is overkill & doesn't give much more.
I personally like complicated wiring, but part of the "art" is making the top of the guitar not look like the cockpit of an airliner. If you can keep it more subtle in appearance, you pleasantly surprise people. If you have knobs & switches everywhere, it looks less like an instrument & more like a machine.
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