I need some advice about this case please.

alex39

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Hello everyone,

I'm posting this message because I really need some technical assistance, or opinion, on a subject that has troubled me for quite a long time.

The problem is about an SH-4 JB Model and later on about an SH-2n Jazz Model pickup. They both have the same problem. They produce exactly the same noise single coils do. Before you start assuming wrong things about false wirings etc, I will tell you a bit of their history.

I bought my first Seymour Duncan pickups on 1990. The models were:
1. STK-S1 staggered bridge model as a replacement for a Stratocaster bridge pickup
2. SH-4 JB model as a replacement on a guitar that was using only one bridge humbucker and just one volume knob.
3. An old "Silverbird" model, don't remember the exact code for that one, as a replacement for another bridge humbucker on another guitar. Again, just volume, no tone knobs connected.

I followed the mounting and connecting instructions to the letter, Black for hot output, Red and White soldered together and taped, Green and Shield soldered together and grounded, for all three of them. Additionally, I connected the black conductor to the volume knob's right pin, I grounded the knob's left pin and I connected the jack cable's signal conductor to the middle pin and grounded its shield. Needless to say that the cable was properly connected to the corresponding pins on the jack and all grounding took place on the back metal cover of the pot.

Everything went fine for both the STK-S1 and the "Silverbird" model, they both worked as they should. The SH-4 did not. Although it sounded ok and both coils were working, it produced the same noise as the two single coils I had left intact on my Stratocaster. Back at those days I was not using a compressor to boost low level signals so the noise was somehow acceptable. Now, I've changed setups completely and among all processors, there's a compressor that really boosts this noise so much you can clearly hear it even while all other instruments are playing. This does not happen when I play with the STK-S1 or the Silverbird model, I get some hiss, like tape hiss, but no hum, no noise at all.

Assuming that that specific SH-4 was malfunctioning, I decided to replace it with another newer SH-4 a few days ago, plus, I decided to replace the neck pickup too on the guitar I had placed the "Silverbird" model on the bridge position. So I bought a brand new SH-4 and an SH-2n for the other guitar. Again I followed the instructions to the letter BUT the results were very disappointing, now the problem was double. The new SH-4 produces exactly the same noise as the previous one AND the SH-2n does the same thing on the other guitar. Everything is connected properly and double checked of course. Every time I switch from the bridge "Silverbird" pickup to the neck "SH-2n" pickup is like switching from a completely noiseless environment to a clear single coil situation. I also have to mention that the computer CRT monitor that I use for my studio needs makes things even worse for those two pickups while IT DOES NOT bother at all either the STK-S1 or the Silverbird.

I really hope I did not bore you with this rather long message of mine but I felt I had to point out the things I did so that you could be able to judge the situation better. I would really like some help on this if you can.

Thank you very much,

Alex.
 
Re: I need some advice about this case please.

is there a lot of noise?

i've had noise with some of my humbuckers too. i definitely understand your concern.
 
Re: I need some advice about this case please.

Is your pickup cavity and/or pickguard fully shielded ?

If no, you need to buy copper tape and apply it all inside the cavities, and be sure it is grounded.
 
Re: I need some advice about this case please.

I think you should take the guitar to a good tech...because NO WAY should a Jazz humbucker and JB humbucker hum as bad as a Strat single coil. NO WAY! There's something wrong. When you put your hands on the strings does the hum go away? If not, maybe you don't have a ground wire attached to your bridge or tailpiece like you should? You should not have to shield your control cavity completely or jump through hoops to get a humbucker to be quieter than a stock single coil. I couldn't tell you what's wrong...but something is. Lew
 
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Re: I need some advice about this case please.

What you might try is to connect the JB directly to the output jack, with nothing else connected to the output jack but the string ground. This will bypass the guitars other components. I'm betting the noise problem disappears.

The tricky part after that is figuring out which component is bad and causing the noise. You might try checking continuity to ground on your #1 terminals on the volume pot(s).

Noise is not an inherent problem with the JB or Jazz and 3 noisey pick ups definately suggests a wiring, component or source electricity problem. Hum like you describe is one of the harder things to fix in an electric guitar and you have to eliminate all the possibilities to track it down.

Another common source of noise like you have is that the output jack is wired backwards and the tip is grounded and the ground is hot. Make sure your jack tip terminal is connected to hot.
 
Re: I need some advice about this case please.

Does a humbucker equiped guitar have to have a fully shielded cavity? I have a Dean Evo Premium with humbuckers and never really had issues. I was noticing some humming and feeback issues with the C-5 in my Les Paul however.
 
Re: I need some advice about this case please.

Thank you all for your help. I wish the problem was as simple as that. I have tried everything you're suggesting. I assure you there's nothing wrong with the electrical parts on the guitars. The same volume pot and cable and shield connects the jack to both the Silverbird (Bridge) and the SH-2n (neck). After the pickup selector switch only the pickup's cables exist, and yes, the guitar's bridge is 100% grounded. It's connected to the pot's metal cover. Yet, only SH-2n produces noise, Silverbird does not.

Anyhow, thank you all once again,

Alex.
 
Re: I need some advice about this case please.

something must be wrong. did you insulate the series connection?
 
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