I put an A4 in my '59n...

BrianS.

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...and it sounds great! Tamed the oft mentioned low end "boominess". Not sure how better to explain the tonal difference. I guess it just added a little clarity to the low end. I can now get useable tones in the neck position when using a fuzz face.

Anyway, it was well worth the minutes it took to do the swap.

Thanks to Dr. Barlo for posting a clip of him playing through an A4-equipped SH-1n. That was the kick in the pants I needed to finally do this!
 
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I was a card-carrying member of the Magnet Swap Society for a bit until I realized I was a bit obnoxious with it. But the one you suggested fixed all the problems I had with that pickup, and I tried A5, A4, and A2. Settled on A4.
 
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an A4 59 is a cool pickup...I've got A3's in both my 59s right now and love them.

Even leaner in the low end and the most amazing midrange cut them them...not for everybody but a cool sound for sure!
 
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I'm another 59N A-4 fan have that set up in my MG 102 with a Custom -5 and a rough cast mag.
 
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Replacement of A5's in vintage output humbuckers covers a multitude of sins...

+1. I don't know why so many PU makers seem to be fixated on polished A5's as their primary, or only, alnico. Lots of other flavors out there.
 
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+1. I don't know why so many PU makers seem to be fixated on polished A5's as their primary, or only, alnico. Lots of other flavors out there.

Is it not perhaps cheaper? Perhaps magnet manufacturers just make larger amounts of A5 and it's probably cheaper for the pickup manufacturers to order A5 bars than any other? (Apart from ceramic)

Just a guess?
 
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Is it not perhaps cheaper? Perhaps magnet manufacturers just make larger amounts of A5 and it's probably cheaper for the pickup manufacturers to order A5 bars than any other?

Possibly, but we'd only be talking a few cents per magnet at wholesale quantities. There's no reason for PU makers to walk lock-step and have A5's dominate. It's not without it's flaws. The low-end can be overbearing and boomy in the neck slot of some PU's/woods. Likewise in the bridge slot they're usually bright and thin. A5's are far from being the perfect magnet.
 
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yep. that mag makes that pickup shine. Try a 59/jazz hybrid with the A4. Its magic. I really like A2 in the 59 as well. Makes it an overall better pickup. I actually like the stock 59n in a les paul with ebony board. Something about the ebony tames the boominess and makes it a better fit than a LP with rosewood. Just my experience
 
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Yep, my all hog '57 R.I has an 59 A4 neck and it sounds superb... I am however going to try an A3 at some point!
 
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Possibly, but we'd only be talking a few cents per magnet at wholesale quantities. There's no reason for PU makers to walk lock-step and have A5's dominate. It's not without it's flaws. The low-end can be overbearing and boomy in the neck slot of some PU's/woods. Likewise in the bridge slot they're usually bright and thin. A5's are far from being the perfect magnet.

I believe it is because alnico 2 and 5 magnets can be degaussed to a wider variety of levels than say a 3 or 4 can. So they can emulate the other magnets sufficiently by rounding or flattening the eq but never get it exactly the same I guess. And a few cents per magnet adds up to a LOT all things considering, especially in the long run. Also Ceramic and A5 magnets are more permanent than other alnicos, which leads to a product with more longevity. This is why Dimarzio and Duncan use almost exclusively them with some A2 exceptions.
 
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- I believe it is because alnico 2 and 5 magnets can be degaussed to a wider variety of levels than say a 3 or 4 can.
- a few cents per magnet adds up to a LOT all things considering, especially in the long run.
- Ceramic and A5 magnets are more permanent than other alnicos, which leads to a product with more longevity. This is why Dimarzio and Duncan use almost exclusively them with some A2 exceptions.

Considering what PU's cost, a few cents more for a magnet shouldn't be an issue. They can add a few cents to the retail price. It's like Gibson not wanting to spend an extra dollar to have 4-lead HB's in their guitars (only for aftermarket!), as if their margins couldn't absorb that. Pointless scrimping that's unbefitting of a high-end guiitar maker. You wonder where else they're cutting corners (or maybe you don't want to know).

The 1950's PAF's are still working fine with their assortment of alnicos, and are the world's most sought after PU's, so there's no real justification to the 'last longer' argument. Besides, Duncan and Gibson make full use of A2's in the PAF lines, which is one of the weakest magnets (fighting with A3's for the honor), and certainly weaker than A4's. So why are A3's and A4's so rarely seen in production PU's? They have some desirable traits, just look at the current thread praising A4 '59's. Both A3's and A4's cure the bassy/boomy characteristics that haunts a number of A5 PU's (especially neck models). Fralin doesn't some great things with A4's, his magnet of choice.

As far as being amenable to degaussing, the vast majority of HB's and P-90's don't have degaussed magnets, so I doubt that's a consideration 99.9% of bulk wholesale magnet purchases.

Duncan's gradually using more alnicos (A8 in the Alt 8, and A3 in the Bonamassa signature). Dimarzio has some creative ideas in PU design, but is still regimented in their approach to magnets. No A2 PAF's! A number of PU makers are using A2's now, no dount influenced by how well they work in Duncans.
 
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Duncan is not putting A5's in 59's to save money. They use A2 on tons of other pickups and could have put them in the 59's, but they use A5's just because they genuinely think it's a better design that way. Some of us disagree, we think sub-10k buckers sound better with A4 on down, but enough folks agree with Duncan that the as-is 59 is one of their most popular designs -- so from their point of view it ain't broke so they won't fix it. And those of us who are that into pickup details and mods can easily swap mags on our own, so everybody wins.
 
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I really like my 59 bridge pup as it is, with the A5. I'm also happy to know now how easy it is swap mags just in case I want to tweak anything in the future. I believe Mr. Zhang's last post was spot on.
 
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I really like my 59 bridge pup as it is, with the A5.

Well, I've used several A5 p'ups for over twenty of my thirty+ career as a traveling musician.

But it wasn't until I got into mag-swapping that I actually got out the tones I've had in my head, like, forever.

Then, I got out even more outstanding tones than I've ever imagined. If I haven't heard'em with my own ears, I wouldn't even have believed it myself, if somebody had told me then!

HTH,
 
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We are a pretty rarified crowd. The intarweb makes it seem like everyone is like us - but there are really only a few super tone geeks like this.

We are making some very fine adjustments. The truth is MOST people are just fine with their stock pups. The ones that aren't are happy as can be with their replacements made from A5's or whatever. Then there is the sick little twisted minority here that must tweek further.

I have been rocking my A3/UAO5 Epi Les Paul for a while. Very cool guitar now. But I wouldn't say it was any less cool when it had a PG/CC. It was just a different cool.

Mags - swap'em if ya got'em. But as always - roll with your own ears.

My ear for example LOVE ceramic screamers. So I think A2/A3/A4/A5's are alla bunch of girly mags. But that's me. YMMV.....
 
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