I think I've been converted ... I'm a Strat-Man!

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The most versatile electric guitar IMO (which mostly retains a stock appearance aside from different pickups) is an HHH Strat with the three humbuckers being medium to high output rails or SC sized HB's. Then for the controls, a push pull pot over the volume to enable B+N as we as B+M+N, and then a three+ gang 100K pot for the first tone knob, to perform variable splitting on all three humbuckers at once. Then for the third knob, a modified TBX control that does bass cut one way and treble cut the other.

It pretty much covers everything a Strat normally does, and does voicings associated with Les Pauls and Teles, and a lot more. The medium/high output middle humbucker even does a pretty good Lindsey Buckingham Model One tone. The nice thing about having such a versatile electric is that if you're in the middle a improv and the other musicians want to play something that calls for a humbucker tone and you happen to be using a Strat, you don't have to figure out how to make due with Strat tones, and vice versa. Then with a "spin a split" and bass+treble cut tone controls, if you're thinking "close, but not quite", they can get you that much closer to the perfect tone for the situation. The bass cut in particular is really good at solving problems that would require a trip over to the amp.

It also says something about Strats that HSH or HSS Strats and Super Strats are a common off-the-shelf items, but most Les Pauls and other historically HH guitar designs are only readily available, and popular, as HH guitars.
 
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The most versatile electric guitar IMO (which mostly retains a stock appearance aside from different pickups) is an HHH Strat with the three humbuckers being medium to high output rails or SC sized HB's. Then for the controls, a push pull pot over the volume to enable B+N as we as B+M+N, and then a three+ gang 100K pot for the first tone knob, to perform variable splitting on all three humbuckers at once. Then for the third knob, a modified TBX control that does bass cut one way and treble cut the other.

It pretty much covers everything a Strat normally does, and does voicings associated with Les Pauls and Teles, and a lot more. The medium/high output middle humbucker even does a pretty good Lindsey Buckingham Model One tone. The nice thing about having such a versatile electric is that if you're in the middle a improv and the other musicians want to play something that calls for a humbucker tone and you happen to be using a Strat, you don't have to figure out how to make due with Strat tones, and vice versa. Then with a "spin a split" and bass+treble cut tone controls, if you're thinking "close, but not quite", they can get you that much closer to the perfect tone for the situation. The bass cut in particular is really good at solving problems that would require a trip over to the amp.

It also says something about Strats that HSH or HSS Strats and Super Strats are a common off-the-shelf items, but most Les Pauls and other historically HH guitar designs are only readily available, and popular, as HH guitars.

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Alright. Alright. Here's my Strat.

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1990 American Standard. 80s German FR, with titanium block - titanium saddles added since this photo. Titanium nut clamp blocks.

Custom Shop V Plus in the bridge, Custom Shop 'original' El Diablo in the middle, Jazz w/ A4 in the neck.


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Dude, very very cool ...but the only thing on there still a Strat is the headstock logo, and maybe the paint. :)
 
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It also says something about Strats that HSH or HSS Strats and Super Strats are a common off-the-shelf items, but most Les Pauls and other historically HH guitar designs are only readily available, and popular, as HH guitars.

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Additionally all the new humbucker models have split to single coil for years now, which is no different that what you have proposed.

I also think it says something that no Strat player these days who bickers about the difference actually uses just a stock SSS.
 
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Yeah just to chime in and add my .02

I have a strat, a tele, and a les paul. The les paul has a pgn and a 59/custom and will soon have an a4 pgn/jazz and either an a2 59/custom or a pgb.

Les paul is more compact and easier to rip on. Legato stuff is effortless but I do miss notes occasionally switching back to the shorter scale. It also takes up more space sonically and is really comfortable to my ears. My favorite clapton and jeff beck and jimmy page and carlos santana etc etc etc sounds all come from when they played gibsons. I mean, the live sound of gibsons is very very difficult to beat. That being said I've never gotten the tingles playing the les paul.

I have gotten the tingles playing the strat and tele however. They're kind of more finnicky to get a good sound from but when you do they sound so right it just sends chills up your spine. Strat does a better job of being transparent from an ergonomic perspective - what I mean by that is it balances very well and the control layout is so compact that you can adjust your volume/tone on the fly without having to think about it too much. Tele does tend to neck dive ever so slightly, and because mine is a deluxe the control layout isn't as intuitive as the strat.

The best sounds I've ever gotten come from the tele bridge and the strat neck. The middle position of a tele vs. the 2 & 4 on a strat isn't a huge difference to my ears. Tele has a wider sound and the strat has more 'schwicka' but I like the tele middle position in strat applications better than the strat 2 & 4 sound in tele applications. I love love love the 6-point tremolo in my strat but I can get by without it. For my money and taste a telecaster covers the most ground, so if I had to choose one of the three it would be a telecaster.
 
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A huge mitigating circmstance is that PAF, which most stock humbuckers are based upon, was modeled after the P-90, so they sound rather similar to one another.

Additionally all the new humbucker models have split to single coil for years now, which is no different that what you have proposed.

That's true, but while Super Strats have been popular for decades and have defined genres, the push/pull series/parallel has always been more like niche custom wiring, or a perk to help sell guitars which few people are likely to buy for their parallel humbucker tones alone.

I also think it says something that no Strat player these days who bickers about the difference actually uses just a stock SSS.

Well, it doesn't make sense to criticize generalizations, only to turn around and make even broader generalizations. Personally, I have more SSS than HHH Strats.
 
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A huge mitigating circmstance is that PAF, which most stock humbuckers are based upon, was modeled after the P-90, so they sound rather similar to one another.



That's true, but while Super Strats have been popular for decades and have defined genres, the push/pull series/parallel has always been more like niche custom wiring, or a perk to help sell guitars which few people are likely to buy for their parallel humbucker tones alone.



Well, it doesn't make sense to criticize generalizations, only to turn around and make even broader generalizations. Personally, I have more SSS than HHH Strats.


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That's the nice thing about a Strat - you can easily alter it to fit your whim.

Darth, She's a beaut!
 
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It also says something about Strats that HSH or HSS Strats and Super Strats are a common off-the-shelf items, but most Les Pauls and other historically HH guitar designs are only readily available, and popular, as HH guitars.

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...but while Super Strats have been popular for decades and have defined genres, the push/pull series/parallel has always been more like niche custom wiring, or a perk to help sell guitars which few people are likely to buy for their parallel humbucker tones alone.

I think you've hinted at it without saying it. The reason the HH Pauls haven't had customized super versions off the shelf for a long time is because the stock configuration was already seeing widespread use by top artists since the mid 1960s and people were getting what they needed out of it.

Strats, while they have always had a healthy list of great names as users previously, in recent decades become more competitive again around the 80s-90s when the first guys started adding humbuckers to them. As far as I can tell, they needed to make the customized super versions a standard to stay competitive. Which is too bad in my view because the sounds made by an SSS Strat are unique, useful and important to music.

None of this is to say that any one is better or more useful than the other - in my first post here I noted I believe a Strat, Tele and Paul are a necessary toolbox for a working professional. But I think configurations that became stock are more indicative of a corporation trying to compete in the market than anything else - spurred on by who happens to be popular at the time and what they are using. For example, no one gave a damn about an Airline guitar until Jack White came along; now they are in production again.
 
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This thread is further proof that guitar forums ruin your hearing.

Carry on.
 
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A huge mitigating circmstance is that PAF, which most stock humbuckers are based upon, was modeled after the P-90, so they sound rather similar to one another.

I don't think they sound very similar at all.
 
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Dude, very very cool ...but the only thing on there still a Strat is the headstock logo, and maybe the paint. :)

Outside of the FR, the pickups and the warmoth pick guard, what you're seeing there is all Fender.

But yeah, I got it to have a Strat and then couldn't stop tricking in out.


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Wow, a simple guitar appreciation thread went to a complete dissection. You guys take things way too seriously.
 
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I've got a Floyd Rose Strat in the basement (the room is climate controlled) - It certainly would be nice to have 1 Floyd Rose that is in working shape. Probably just take it apart and clean it should do it.
 
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Wow, a simple guitar appreciation thread went to a complete dissection. You guys take things way too seriously.

Our motto here is - "If its worth doing, its worth overdoing" :D

Should we go into ash vs alder and rosewood vs maple? LOL
 
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Our motto here is - "If its worth doing, its worth overdoing" :D

Should we go into ash vs alder and rosewood vs maple? LOL

Here you go, Ash/Rosewood is the blue one, Alder/Maple is the sunburst.

Regarding p90s and humbuckers, I think a tele bridge and a strat bridge sound closer to each other than they do, especially if you go back to the 57 early humbuckers vs the traditional Gibson p90s, but that is just me, not looking to start anything.

I tried Hss strats out for a while when I was younger and totally into gainy rock, so I wanted more noiseless options because the gain would really bring it out. Never was a fan of Floyds, my buddy had a Jackson with one and I always thought it was a pain. I would also go through phases of blocking and unblocking my bridge because tuning could unpredictably change when you give the strat whammy bridge a run for it's money, they're notorious for it. While I was playing it though, something seemed.... Off to me. I felt like I wasn't really using the thing entirely as I should. On paper I should have a lot going on in the versatility department but for some reason I would mostly gravitate just towards the humbucker and rarely touch the tone controls or anything really. The 4 position, which I think is bridge and middle, wasn't as satisfying, the tone/output difference between the singles and the full humbucker kinda bothered me too when I would switch mid song or even just between songs. I could dial in a tone I liked using either, but they clashed too much when switching between them and it would throw me off. The split humbucker for the bridge never sounded as good as the true single either. Maybe if I had made different pickup choices?

Tried stacked single coils and those were better but ultimately I liked the tone of normal singles better. Then I tried Lace sensors and those I had for years. Later on I started hearing things that other strats had that mine didn't. It was like air, space, string texture, picking response and I wanted it. So I went back to a5 traditional single coils in all 3 slots, and the sound all came back with the noise, so here I am. Now I have a better understanding of tone, sound and how your gear works together from spending more time with sound engineers and general tinkering. Single coil noise is pretty easy to dodge when you know what you're doing, even with some mad distortion on. And now my strat bridge almost never comes out of tune no matter how crazy I get on it because I know how to keep it set up, and what to do when a string does come out of tune.* It is very much a plug and play instrument but it equally rewards you with experimentation, meanwhile other guitars can either require work to coax good sounds out of their many options or are meant to just plug in and go.

This is going to get a bit sappy but the stratocaster to me is the kind of guitar where you will always get back what you put into it, and it is very reflective of how and what you play. Despite the fact that it is one of the most popular guitars in the world, (arguably the most popular) so many people have so many different sounds that they get from it, and it has been seen rather often in pretty much every genre of music there is (at least ones applicable to the electric guitar). It set the standard around 60 years ago and it is practically still reigning champ to this day or at LEAST a contender. Hail to the King baby.
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*EDIT: I should probably say what I'm talking about here; it is a kind of vibrato tuning technique. Set it up exactly how you like it and then tune the living hell out of the guitar an then whammy on it pretty hard. Up and way down and wobble it, then re-tune it again. Do this until you can do pretty much a full dive bomb, come back up and be in tune, then you're good to go. The important part is what comes after. Usually the strat's tuning issues come from a string getting hitched on the nut or tree or something. People then have the tendency after they hear the hitched string, to tune it again with the string still caught up. So then a bend or a wiggle of the whammy later and the guitar falls out of tune again even though you just tuned it and you have to keep tuning it back and forth and you can never figure out what is wrong with the damn thing. The problem comes and goes too so it's hard to pinpoint. When you notice a string doesn't return right when using the bar, before you do anything else, just wiggle the bar a bit, down and up. This is something relatively harmless you can do even in the middle of a song or even solo. Using the whammy again will unhitch the string and you will pop right back in tune with no need to touch the machines or stop playing. This is why it is important to really stretch the strings and whammy the life out of them while tuning first to make sure something isn't already caught on a hitch from the get go and to make sure the strings are fully stretched out. Then it all boils down to preventing the hitches from happening which can be done with wipe downs, properly cutting the nut, pencil graphite in the nut slots, proper set ups etc. Just knowing this has cut my tuning issues (which weren't THAT bad to begin with) down to about 10% of what they used to be. Just in case anyone didn't know, try it out.
 
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