I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

[Aceman]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Ace wouldn't the boss DD500 delay will do what you want minus the flange maybe? Although it might do that as well. Its got 8 assigns(8 parameters can be changed with one stomp within a preset). You should look into this since it looks like a programmable delay(& a flanger) in the amp's fx loop is what you really want.

That thing has midi & expression/footswitch option available to plug into it as well.

There are other delay options as well but since this one goes for $299 new its a good choice.

Yeah, that's possible. But I still want chorus as well. And Flange.


I'd like to get to ONE item in the loop for all my chorus/delay needs. I have used a Multi-fx for this before over a decade a ago...just wondering if these days there is a really cool hybrid approach.

The PERFECT thing would be a unit that has:

Modulation/Delay/Reverb settings - wide assortment

Ability to call up an entire patch - but also manually on/off the effects

Or pull up a set of manual effects - perhaps 4 or 5. (Dly 1, Dly 2, Dly 3, Ch1 Ch2)

 

[gregory]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

The M9 can do that unless you need more than three effects on at a time. M13 allowes four effects at a time. HD500 can do eight.

 

[Hank-]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Yeah, that's possible. But I still want chorus as well. And Flange.


I'd like to get to ONE item in the loop for all my chorus/delay needs. I have used a Multi-fx for this before over a decade a ago...just wondering if these days there is a really cool hybrid approach.

The PERFECT thing would be a unit that has:

Modulation/Delay/Reverb settings - wide assortment

Ability to call up an entire patch - but also manually on/off the effects

Or pull up a set of manual effects - perhaps 4 or 5. (Dly 1, Dly 2, Dly 3, Ch1 Ch2)

The zoom G3 or G5 should be ideal then. The G5 in particular. These are the only ones that I know that let you pile up effects like 4 simultaneous delays in a patch & still add a chorus & reverb provided they aren't exotic dsp hogging ones like particle reverbs or filter delays.

So only that one unit in the loop & a individual wah, tuner & od pedals in front of the amp would make up your entire board.

No idea if the new g5n & g3n provide more advantage with the extra switches, might look into those too. The hd500 would work too but its big & not sure if space is a concern. At that point a gt10 or gt100 would work too.

 

[Aceman]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Tpile up effects like 4 simultaneous delays in a patch & still add a chorus & reverb.

:lmao: I'm not the Edge!

Just need A rhythm delay or a lead delay, and different ones on different songs! Never use more than a delay and chorus or a delay and reverb at once!

 

[jayylmao]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

The boss ms 3 will do all of this and more.


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[Mincer]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

What does 'Less frilly amp" mean?????


Not opposed to using FX Distortions....But I really just want to run banks of delay, chorus, reverb and such.

Well, an amp with one or 2 basic tones. Ones without tones of effects. It sounds like you'd love the M9. I like it a lot better than the HD-series PODs. Effects are one thing L6 does so well.

 

[gregory]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Dave, the effect algorithms in HD-series PODs are supposed to be identical to those in the M-series.

Do you have demonstrative information from L6 indicating that this is not the case?

 

[Hank-]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

:lmao: I'm not the Edge!

Just need A rhythm delay or a lead delay, and different ones on different songs! Never use more than a delay and chorus or a delay and reverb at once!

In that case find this thing below, a digitech rp1000, used it should be cheaper than the ms3 new. Yeah it looks toyish but its quite sturdy & giggable, two loops too. Yeah a bit big but for something smaller you would need to go zoom g5.

 

[gregory]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

I had one of those.

 

[BriGuy1968]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Dave, the effect algorithms in HD-series PODs are supposed to be identical to those in the M-series.

Do you have demonstrative information from L6 indicating that this is not the case?

My guess is that he's not talking about a difference in the qualities of sounds, but rather a difference in using the units themselves. I replaced my HD400 with a Zoom G5 simply because the HD400 was a pain in the butt to use. I've never actually used an M-series, but they appear to be much more user-friendly than their POD brethren.

 

[Aceman]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Hey - for chorus, delay, reverb....no shame in some digitech.

 

[gregory]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

The harmonizer being the biggest exception, most of the DigiTech effects are very good.

Adjusting POD-HD effect parameters is a complete pain, though expression assignment is far superior. Adjusting parameters with the M-series is a pleasure, but fine adjustment is a pain and the fine-adjustment feature would be better if it used the selector control because it doesn't have stops.

 

[Mincer]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Dave, the effect algorithms in HD-series PODs are supposed to be identical to those in the M-series.

Do you have demonstrative information from L6 indicating that this is not the case?

Well, I've owned both, and they don't sound the same. Furthermore, the HD series is crippled by not allowing full control of every parameter with the expression pedal. This is not the case with the M-series.

 

[gregory]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

I've owned and regularly used an HD500 and a pair of M9s for many years.

Less expression control with the HD500?? Not at all! It's the other way around, actually. With the HD500 two expression pedals can control different parameters within the same effect. With the M9, one expression can be assigned on a per-column basis (e.g.: the effect stored in 1A must use the same pedal as the effect stored in 1B). I have not run into any issues where the expression pedal could adjust a parameter on the M9 that it couldn't on the HD500. I'd be interested to know which ones, though.

I'm remain highly skeptical about any claims over differences in sound between any of the individual effects. I have never seen any official word from the company that contradicts their marketing and documentation which is that the effects are the same.

I recall having had some issues with noise when using the HD500 fx loop for 4CM with amps that have a line-level effects loop, however. The FX block also imparts ~1ms of latency, which can be a problem if you're running it in parallel.

 

[Mincer]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

The HD500 can't have the expression pedal controlling loop volume (very important for us loopists). They have a parameter for it, but they never implemented its use with the expression pedal. The M series and even the DL4 can do this (I am pretty sure the Helix can't, though).

 

[gregory]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

While it is rare that I use a looper, I agree. That's extremely important.

 

[Aceman]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

So I'm GASing hard on the M9...

I was untangling pedal board and trouble shooting a power connect and bad chord and goofed knobs and......I may be out on the big 10 pedal board.

 

[BriGuy1968]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Do it...
Do it...
Do it...

 

[mantis]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

You better go try out a M9 before you buy one. I played with it and thought it was really cool but I don't like how it sounds. It's very artificial sounding to me anyway.
Line 6 products all seem to have a certain tone to them. If you dig that then the M9 is right up your alley, it can do everything you need it to do.

The MS-3 also can do all you want and insert your dirt pedals in front of your amp. You can use Loop 3 and do the 4CM so you can put all the juicy Chorus and delays in the loop you want. Any effect you want for that matter with the exact settings you want per patch.

You also might want to check out a Boss GT-100 which also can do all that you want plus have built in expression pedal for volume or wah or both depending on how you build your patches. It also might be the perfect solution for being in a cover band and needing many different setups. The screens are clean and easy to read while standing up.
I would look into a Used GT-100 and give it a full test drive. Make sure you leave yourself some learning time. Once you get it, you'll fly around it and build patches in minutes to seconds.

 

[zionstrat]

Re: I want to have a serious talk about the Boss M3

Gt100 is great if you like the crunch sounds. I love mine for clean and fx but I hear it's crunched sounds as hollow...cocked wah sound.

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