Ibanez Iron Label 7 string *or other 7 strings*

Shadow1psc

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So, I've been looking to get a 7 string for a long time now. I'm very interested in this new "Iron Label" series from Ibanez, as some kind of hybrid RG/S style guitar. I don't like that it has active pickups to start it off (I'd definitely be giving blackouts a try before making a conversion to passive at least), but my other option was a Schecter Hellraiser C-7 FR, which is $200 more and considerably heavier (literal weight). What are your guys' opinions on this new line, if you've gotten to play one, and what are your opinions on 7 strings in general? I want a decent one, but not 'entry level', something that is going to be a little more bang for buck as a serious player. Here's a link to the Iron Label RGIR27E:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-...Tremolo-and-EMG-Pickups-108588963-i2824682.gc
 
Re: Ibanez Iron Label 7 string *or other 7 strings*

Before you buy a 7 string, ask yourself this question: Do you want a 7-string for the lower tuning for heavy rhythms, or do you want it so you can have extended scales etc that require an extra string? If the answer was the latter, I recommend Ibanez 7 strings, or really anything with a longer scale length than 25.5". If the answer was the former, go buy a longer scale 6 string or some heavier gauge strings (or both).
 
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Any info on its "Made in Where"? I've found non-Japan Ibanezes to be less than impressive... if it's an Indo, you might as well go with the lowest possible model with the same neck profile and upgrade it, if you gotta buy new (just hardtail! always hardtail... Ibby non-MIJ Floyds suffer from the Licensed plague). The only Ibanez not out of Japan to ever make a positive impression on me was a $25 used Gio 200 beater bass that I stuck an Seymour APB-3 active into ($35 CL score:) ), now THAT was pure value for money, and played pretty cool too. But those $400-900 new models hanging on the walls at GC are pure disappointment distilled. With Ibanez these days it's either splurge the extra bit for Prestige MIJ (and BUYER BEWARE! new line of "prestiges" outta indonesia making their way into stores as we speak), or trawl craigslist forever for $100-150 (really!) old Ibby pre-prestige moniker MIJs, for a few days for the same for $250-400, or buy a $500-700 used MIJ Prestige. MUCH better guitars for MUCH better prices, and some of them just STOOPID GOOD DEALS.

And just to back up all my quoted numbers and recommendations, personal Ibby GAS history, 2010-2013:
$100/CL - '99 Soundgear SR885 (FujiGen Japan) 5-string active bass w/ premium gigbag, traded on w/ $400 profit (and kept the gigbag:) ). Sounded awesome unplugged, godly neck, but didn't need 5th, didn't like ADX5 pups.
$150/GC(!) - '87 RD707 (FujiGen Japan) passive P/J bass, old RG complimenting bodystyle, AWESOME, holds its own against everything in the store up to MIA Fenders, only really loses to a MusicMan
$25+35/CL - '04 GSR200 (Indo) 4-string bass + Seymour Duncan APB-3 active pup, wanted to experiment with installing actives in a bass... sucked before, pretty cool power afterwards
$125/CL - ~'72 Westminster-branded rebadged Ibby Model 2393 Les Paul Custom w/OHSC (Japan, looks more like Matsumoku, but maybe FujiGen cuz ibby), Super 70s/maple/proper pancake body. Needed lil work: dry pots, switch
$200/CL - '91 "Saber Custom Made" aka 540 S aka Roadstar Pro Radius (faux-USA neck plate, FujiGen Japan) w/ random Ibanez (?) bass hardcase. DiMarzio USA pups/bloody epic LoPro Edge trem/Wizard neck/carved mahogany (!) body - all the goodies. Seller was calling it an RG760 (lol), but at that price with these specs, who really cares?!

...with stuff like that out there, why on g-d's green earth would you buy new Indo or Korea??? As to specifically 7-strings, I've recently seen a 7620 and a 7420 I think, both Japan and upgraded to EMG actives, both from the same seller, and both strangely enough same price, $350 I believe - and that's hardly the best there is, just the most recent that comes to mind. Don't really watch 7-strings much. Oh, also saw a Prestige 1527 (I think) years ago for $250, still kinda sad I didn't snap her up. That thing was awesome.... and if you take some of the guy's suggestions and detune to baritone on a normal 6-string, as long as you stick to 25.5" scale not LPs, and stick to the better Ibby-proprietary Floyds or hardtails, you can pretty much take anything of series 500 or higher, at worst maybe have to swap the bridge pup out, but still end up with a better guitar AND $500 more left in your pocket. Oh, right, that thing you linked to was what, $800? If you still wanna spend that much cash after reading all this, $750 can put a Steve Vai signature 7-string JEM into your hands pretty easily. Bit more impressive than what you were looking at, right? And this ain't no Squier strat, so you really won't ever get whispers behind your back of "duuuude, get a load of this - he bought his guitar USED, haha" - more like "oooh, SCORE!" and "whoa, I'm drooling".

PS since we're both in SoCal, my craigslist observations should be quite relevant for you, since LA/OC/IE/SD all have pretty similar prices, and if it's over a $100 difference, you can always drive instead. I mostly watch OC and LA, but have occasionally ranged as far as IE and SD, and ended up seeing pretty much the same deals, possibly slightly better in SD even.

PPS/EDIT: Hehe, looking back at the list - here's a Pro 5string active bass, a pro 4 string p/j passive, a pretty professional-grade vintage-ish Lester, and a sweeeet Superstrat, all for $100-200... all that's left unfilled is a Tele. Anybody know of any IBANEZ JAPAN TELECASTERS???
 
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Re: Ibanez Iron Label 7 string *or other 7 strings*

Before you buy a 7 string, ask yourself this question: Do you want a 7-string for the lower tuning for heavy rhythms, or do you want it so you can have extended scales etc that require an extra string? If the answer was the latter, I recommend Ibanez 7 strings, or really anything with a longer scale length than 25.5". If the answer was the former, go buy a longer scale 6 string or some heavier gauge strings (or both).

The above statement is why I am considering an Ibanez RGD. The 26.5" scale is just a lil longer for lower tunings, but a bit more comfortable than 27" scales, since I am generally used to shorter scale lengths.
 
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PPS/EDIT: Hehe, looking back at the list - here's a Pro 5string active bass, a pro 4 string p/j passive, a pretty professional-grade vintage-ish Lester, and a sweeeet Superstrat, all for $100-200... all that's left unfilled is a Tele. Anybody know of any IBANEZ JAPAN TELECASTERS???

Professional grade les pauls have a pancake body? :confused:


Back on topic, my 7 string has a 24.75" scale and I don't mind it at all (and I do use all 7 strings). So it's up to the preference of the player. Ibanez doesn't offer the features or neck profiles I'm looking for so I've stayed away from them. But it will vary by model a lot too. I think a lot of these questions are more relevant if you're building a guitar from scratch. Just play it and if you like it, keep it.
 
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Professional grade les pauls have a pancake body? :confused:

Don't ask me, ask Gibson. That's how they made all of em in the days when Ibby was ripping em off. Pancake Les Pauls are an original Gibson technology.

As to 24.75" on a 7string, that's just wrong (although, somewhat weakening my prior statement, Gibson ALSO does THAT, as well - but, unlike pancakes, that's getting quite a bit of hate and more than a few facepalms). How are you gonna put it in at least dropA? 100-gauge bass strings, lol?
 
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Granted, I have had my 24.75" warlock NT down to C with 10-46 strings before. At the time I think I had the action a touch higher and the strings were at the limit of slack I could handle. Since I have been keeping that guitar closer to Eb and have become used to the string tension, going down to B or A should feel better with a slightly longer scale. I need to do some test runs at B with one of my 25.5" guitars then focus on getting my hands on an RGD to see how low they can go.
 
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Don't ask me, ask Gibson. That's how they made all of em in the days when Ibby was ripping em off. Pancake Les Pauls are an original Gibson technology.

As to 24.75" on a 7string, that's just wrong (although, somewhat weakening my prior statement, Gibson ALSO does THAT, as well - but, unlike pancakes, that's getting quite a bit of hate and more than a few facepalms). How are you gonna put it in at least dropA? 100-gauge bass strings, lol?


.080 actually. Even had to drill the machine head wider so that it fits. Matches well with a 12 set.

Gibson has made guitars with pancake bodies and 5 piece maple necks. But I don't think anyone will call them prime examples. Even without pancake bodies, I've played some Gibsons from that era that have weird features like all walnut construction. Innovation is great... a lot of it is just to save money though. For instance a zero fret is technically an innovation over a hand carved bone nut, but it's also a step in the wrong direction.
 
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7 strings: I'm anti-Schecter because of the scale lengths, anti-Ibanez because of the neck contours, and anti-Gibson because of the nut widths. I have a 7 string classical though which is perfect, except that it's a classical.

Well, to answer this post and your next; the Iron Labels are supposed to have a different neck contour. I want/need a 7 string not for the chugga chugga metulhs, but because I want the extended range (I play a lot of Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation). I actually will buy a baritone one day, but that will be for different stuff too. If I simply wanted to down tune, I've definitely got 6 strings capable of that. I only keep my guitars in D standard, drop D, Eb standard and E standard for the most part though. There's some stuff I'd like to play some day in drop C, but it's not the reason I want a 7 string.

My ideal guitar would be a 7-string John Petrucci musicman, and I'll have one of those one day too, but I'm currently getting ready to move since the housing market has been kind to me and I've got a large amount of equity to move up. Maybe if I'm lucky it'll sell for a lot and I'll buy straight into a JP.
 
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