If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

[Loserchief]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

Go to www.rocksolidamps.com , they have lots of clips including several screamer clips(just scroll down there are about 5-6 i think).
I'd advise you against putting a DS-1 distortion infront of an already distorted amp, it just adds fizz. My recommendation would be a SD-1 with the chaos mod. Used as a boost this thing works wonders in tightening up the sound and giving it more gain without getting fizzy.

 

[sosomething]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

I say this without malice or attitude, or pointing it at anyone: If you feel like you've got to put an OD in front of an Engl Screamer, you've got technique issues to sort out.

 

[Loserchief]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

I say this without malice or attitude, or pointing it at anyone: If you feel like you've got to put an OD in front of an Engl Screamer, you've got technique issues to sort out.

well with a good OD you'll get an even more tight and defined sound what is really usefull when playing technical death metal in low tunings. The screamer itself has lots of gain already but for really extreme styles it doesn't have the same edge as a Powerball or SE and that edge can be added with an OD. But there are also people insane enough to OD a Powerball and they definitely don't have technique issues

 

[lex666]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

At the risk of this sounding like a flame (which it isn't) given the theme of all your bordering on obsessive quest-for-tone threads recently, I doubt you'll ever find what you're looking for until you're happy yourself. When you know, you know. If there was one answer to your question there would be only one amp manufacturer in existence and all others would be out of business. I personally believe good tone comes from a connection from getting into what you're doing and grooving with what you've got. My recommendation would be to step away from the computer, start playing with what you've got, and when you start really having fun and getting into the groove, you'll have found it.

I thought this was good advice bro, so don't get all worked up... ok?

Didn't you just recently get a 4 channel Marshall? If you're not gettting head turning tone from this amp, I'd seriously think about spending more time with this amp and working on your skills. I have no doubt this amp can provide head stopping tones.

But, if spending bucks on another amp is what you wanna do, go for the Randall. It sounds like the flixibiliy and options of different modules would be just what you're looking for.

BTW - I have a buddy that I jam with occasionaly. He is a great player, much better than I am, and has been playing for longer. Whenever I get a new peice of gear, we jam together. Anyways, my point is, he's played on every amp I've gotten, from my all tube Marhsall TSL602, my Marshall Valvestate, my Vox ad15vt, down to my 9 volt Marshall mini stack portable amp thing and he's managed to blow me away every time. Not becuz any of those amps had great tone, but becuz great tone came thru in his playing.

 

[barbarianbrute]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

I say this without malice or attitude, or pointing it at anyone: If you feel like you've got to put an OD in front of an Engl Screamer, you've got technique issues to sort out.

who says i plan to use it in front of an engl amp?

 

[sosomething]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

well with a good OD you'll get an even more tight and defined sound what is really usefull when playing technical death metal in low tunings. The screamer itself has lots of gain already but for really extreme styles it doesn't have the same edge as a Powerball or SE and that edge can be added with an OD. But there are also people insane enough to OD a Powerball and they definitely don't have technique issues

All 'ing aside, "technique" is a much broader term than merely playing quickly or accurately.

But you did mention something about the Screamer that I didn't consider.

 

[sosomething]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

who says i plan to use it in front of an engl amp?

Hey, not me!

I was speaking purely in the hypothetical.

 

[Loserchief]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

All 'ing aside, "technique" is a much broader term than merely playing quickly or accurately.

But you did mention something about the Screamer that I didn't consider.

i love screamers, but for really extreme metal it needs a little help,that's all

 

[barbarianbrute]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

I thought this was good advice bro, so don't get all worked up... ok?

Didn't you just recently get a 4 channel Marshall? If you're not gettting head turning tone from this amp, I'd seriously think about spending more time with this amp and working on your skills. I have no doubt this amp can provide head stopping tones.

But, if spending bucks on another amp is what you wanna do, go for the Randall. It sounds like the flixibiliy and options of different modules would be just what you're looking for.

BTW - I have a buddy that I jam with occasionaly. He is a great player, much better than I am, and has been playing for longer. Whenever I get a new peice of gear, we jam together. Anyways, my point is, he's played on every amp I've gotten, from my all tube Marhsall TSL602, my Marshall Valvestate, my Vox ad15vt, down to my 9 volt Marshall mini stack portable amp thing and he's managed to blow me away every time. Not becuz any of those amps had great tone, but becuz great tone came thru in his playing.

alright, i'm tired of all these references to my technique. whatever you might have ever heard from me has been unrehearsed and recorded with crap. just because my soundclips don't have good audio quality doesn't mean that i'm not a bad-ass player. but to end these technique and skills comments once and for all, i guess i'm going to have to post something killer.

just because i don't do what everyone else does trying to sit around looking pretty playing the same old blues riffs doesn't mean that i don't friggin have hte chops. in fact, i've heard the same stuff over and over again and it would be nice to hear someone break the mold for once. maybe record some raw stuff that doesn't always sound so friggin perty all the time. i hate anyone trying to top me as a player though, so here goes. i guess it's time that i start earning some respect as a player around here.

i'll be back on the forum when i've recorded something worthwhile, so screw this thread. i'm out for a while...

 

[sosomething]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

alright, i'm tired of all these references to my technique. whatever you might have ever heard from me has been unrehearsed and recorded with crap. just because my soundclips don't have good audio quality doesn't mean that i'm not a bad-ass player. but to end these technique and skills comments once and for all, i guess i'm going to have to post something killer.

just because i don't do what everyone else does trying to sit around looking pretty playing the same old blues riffs doesn't mean that i don't friggin have hte chops. in fact, i've heard the same stuff over and over again and it would be nice to hear someone break the mold for once. maybe record some raw stuff that doesn't always sound so friggin perty all the time. i hate anyone trying to top me as a player though, so here goes. i guess it's time that i start earning some respect as a player around here.

i'll be back on the forum when i've recorded something worthwhile.

Stop.

Look down at shoulders.

Identify and remove giant freaking chip.

Nobody is bagging on your ability, man. I'm certainly not. I'm only on here @ work and can't access SoundClick, so I've never even heard one of your clips. I think you've kind of been exposed here as being in a cycle of self-doubt, but you need to check yourself.

You were happy with your tone last week. Then somebody who heard it wasn't "blown away," and the tables have all turned. What changed between now and then?

You WERE happy with it, right? What's more important here - that you're happy, or that you're getting praise/validation from other people? Ask yourself.

Some people just play in a manner than sounds thin. Maybe that's you. Maybe it isn't. It's got nothing to do with how fast you are or how accurate or whatever. It's about meat on metal and how you work it, and everybody's feel is a little different. Some folks need tons of gain to play something, others get a sound just as heavy with much less gain - it's all in how you're handling the instrument. That's all people in this thread are trying to say.

And I have no idea where you fit in.

 

[bungalowbill]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

alright, i'm tired of all these references to my technique. whatever you might have ever heard from me has been unrehearsed and recorded with crap. just because my soundclips don't have good audio quality doesn't mean that i'm not a bad-ass player. but to end these technique and skills comments once and for all, i guess i'm going to have to post something killer.

just because i don't do what everyone else does trying to sit around looking pretty playing the same old blues riffs doesn't mean that i don't friggin have hte chops. in fact, i've heard the same stuff over and over again and it would be nice to hear someone break the mold for once. maybe record some raw stuff that doesn't always sound so friggin perty all the time. i hate anyone trying to top me as a player though, so here goes. i guess it's time that i start earning some respect as a player around here.

i'll be back on the forum when i've recorded something worthwhile.

Hey bro..take it easy. you asked for advice on amps, pedals, recording, tone and all sorts of things. The folks on this forum have been trying to be helpful and you take everything as offensive

I, like many others on this forum have tried to give advice to you and you pretty much disregard it......and that is your right, if you wish to do so, but you really need to chill out with the folks here.

Everyone here does attempt to be respectful and helpful...there are good people here.

 

[ErikH]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

If "I" had $1600 to spend on a new amp, I'd get either Marshall Vintage Modern 2266 combo or a Mission Aurora 30 watter with reverb.

A pedal would be needed with the Aurora for metal type tones but it takes pedals well, VERY well. It is not a high gain amp by any means but what it does do sounds amazing.

 

[millsart]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

Sorry if you don't like peoples answers dude but they are trying to give you the best advice they can, not just what you want to hear.

If you just want some random stranger who's working for a commission to tell you to buy, buy, buy and thats where the answers are go into the guitar store.

Can't you realize how very cool this SD forum is because of the fact that people don't just "answer your **** question" ?

Instead they actually take the time to try to help you on a personal level based upon the gear experiences they know you've had in the past, and experience based upon where they've been as well.

I'm sure we've all seen other forums where its some idiot 14 year olds who's idea of a helpful post is something like this "Bogner Ownz". Boy that was a helpful and personalized post wasn't it ?


Fact of the matter is that just like tons of people out there your blindly trying to throw money at a problem and that doesnt solve anything.

You can be a rude ass, ***** people out for trying to help you, keep posting thread, after thread, after thread about what to buy next, and defend your right to spend as much money as you want but its not going to get you anywhere. Thats not where the answers are.


Seriously dude, spend some time getting a tone YOU are happy with. All I keep seeing from you is this need for acceptance.

Its always wanting to know what people think and then if we don't like it you keep making excuse after excuse for it while at the same time trying to buy more gear.

The harping point of your amp threads is always about wanting to get tone that other people are impressed by.


Heres the to the point bottom line. If your want to spend $1600 (on yet more gear) because and I quote " i want to play this amp and have people say "you got good tone.", then your frankly an fool.

Doesn't matter if you spend $200 or $2000, its supposed to make YOU happy with the tone.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

Brute, you need to stop worrying about what other people think and start doing things because YOU want to. Your posts make you seem like you're only playing guitar so that people will be impressed by you, not because you love to play and you love making music. You get upset when people don't love your tone and you get offended when we suggest things that might improve it. You should just cut loose and enjoy yourself.

To answer your question, Orange Rockerverb 50.

 

[lex666]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

alright, i'm tired of all these references to my technique. whatever you might have ever heard from me has been unrehearsed and recorded with crap. just because my soundclips don't have good audio quality doesn't mean that i'm not a bad-ass player. but to end these technique and skills comments once and for all, i guess i'm going to have to post something killer.

just because i don't do what everyone else does trying to sit around looking pretty playing the same old blues riffs doesn't mean that i don't friggin have hte chops. in fact, i've heard the same stuff over and over again and it would be nice to hear someone break the mold for once. maybe record some raw stuff that doesn't always sound so friggin perty all the time. i hate anyone trying to top me as a player though, so here goes. i guess it's time that i start earning some respect as a player around here.

i'll be back on the forum when i've recorded something worthwhile, so screw this thread. i'm out for a while...

Hey bro,

I wasn't trying to get you fired up, so I'll retract what I said and re-word it differently:

You've got a killer amp. You've got killer chops. Instead of spending another $1600, I'd recommend spending more time with this amp and finding its sweet spot in correlation with your playing, gear, and the tone you seek. Experiment with all the variables which includes amp settings, guitars, and technique. From there, decide if pedals will help. If at that point you are still unsatsified, then decide with is the weak link. It may not necessarily be your amp that needs changing.

 

[ErikH]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

i hate anyone trying to top me as a player though, so here goes.

Nobody's trying to top you or cares to for that matter. In case you haven't noticed, we're not in a competition. We converse here because we like to talk about gear and share our music.

You asked for input, it was given and you complain about it. This isn't the first thread of yours this has happened in. There is more to tone than the gear used. It comes from within as well and from my perspective, that is the part you're missing.

In the end, it's all about what you are happy with. If it sounds good to you and makes you smile, then it is good.

i guess it's time that i start earning some respect as a player around here.

Not being so cocky is a good start.

 

[barbarianbrute]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

alright you guys are right, but i'm FRUSTRATED with my tone. i'm FRUSTRATED with my recording. i can't seem to figure out how to get great tone. maybe it is the low volume, but several professional players have told me it's not hard to get great tone at low volumes. **** it i'm pissed. not at you guys but my inability to master my amp.

screw it, i'm going to take a break from playing for a couple of days. my ears are toast right now. it's like i got great equipment and i can't get it to sound great.

 

[Kac]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

I would get the Fender Supersonic Combo.

Fender Super Sonic Combo

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

Soldano Avenger ($1679.99 retail new)

Single channel, SLO gain, no bullcrap. If you can't sound good playing metal through this head you need to switch to bass.

Go like this: Guitar -> cable -> Amp

Don't mess with pedals.

+1
Most elegant high-gain there is. Yeah, Engls are bit more defined at bottom end but I agree GL Soldano's have the BEEF. I still cant hear how can people say that SLO is pretty similar tone to 5150.

 

[lex666]

Re: If You Had $1,600 For A New Amp...?

alright, i'm tired of all these references to my technique. whatever you might have ever heard from me has been unrehearsed and recorded with crap. just because my soundclips don't have good audio quality doesn't mean that i'm not a bad-ass player. but to end these technique and skills comments once and for all, i guess i'm going to have to post something killer.

just because i don't do what everyone else does trying to sit around looking pretty playing the same old blues riffs doesn't mean that i don't friggin have hte chops. in fact, i've heard the same stuff over and over again and it would be nice to hear someone break the mold for once. maybe record some raw stuff that doesn't always sound so friggin perty all the time. i hate anyone trying to top me as a player though, so here goes. i guess it's time that i start earning some respect as a player around here.

i'll be back on the forum when i've recorded something worthwhile, so screw this thread. i'm out for a while...

BTW - you don't seriously think that becuz you can shred is gonna earn you any respect around here, do ya?

I've never met a guitar player who didin't think he could improve on his skill. Only a fool would think he already knows it all.