If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

You didn't say what kind of music you wanted to play with it...

I play al kinds of music, it was more of an exploratory question to see what other people would do with it and to what end.

The tone I'm mostly after is incubus - a crowd left of the murder and early radiohead maybe
 
If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

If going with Duncan pickups I'd consider...

59/JB Hybrid (JB slug coil nearest the neck, 59 screw coil) in the bridge.

I’ve heard mixed feedback about the 59/JB. Some people saying that it’s too much of a difference (I guess because it mixes 42 and 44 instead of 43). What has been your experience? I love the 59/C and the JB split.
 
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Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

People should know by now that I'm not one to mince words, so to put it bluntly, the notion that the difference in gauge between the two coils of a hybrid serves as a measurement of success is a bunch of nonsense. I'm fairly certain that DiMarzio has demonstrated this with some of their pickups. That there may be a weak relationship between the wire gauge and amount of mismatch between Duncan pickups does not mean a mismatch is a bad thing. It can be useful with the right application which can be the case when mating a 42AWG coil with a 44AWG coil.

Rather than the difference in gauge which is only a gross indicator of mismatch, the important factor is the difference in inductance between the pair of JB coils in series and a JB coil and a 59B coil in series. Expressed as a percentage of the total inductance of the hybrid divided by the total inductance of the JB, I'd say it's about 75%. I don't have the means to measure the inductance at the moment, but this number is based on what I hear and agrees with what I've been able to mine from the web.

What does this mean in layman's terms?

If you start with the way a split JB coil sounds and compare it to the way the hybrid sounds, you'll notice that the 59B coil adds a bit more beef and drops the peak frequency somewhat less than what you get with a regular JB. In other words, the upper midrange peak of a JB is shifted higher to the point that it bites more like a Screamin' Demon, though not quite as articulate. Compared to the JB it is brighter and tighter with more clarity, better string definition and less compression.

In series mode this hybrid will blend with the tonality of single coils better than a JB, making it quite suitable for an HSS setup (or an HS setup as is the case with the Duo-Sonic) such that you won't need to change channels/eq when switching pickups. Because the 59B coil adds a touch more fullness and power without altering the voicing much, switching from split to series can be thought of more as a mild or moderate boost depending on how much gain you're using. At upper mid gain levels the boost is fairly mild.

With '50s wiring, tone and volume controls work well over a wide range. I used it with 500k pots dropped with an additional 500k load applied when splitting.
 
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Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

Thanks for the thoughtful answer @Gregory I now have the JB/59 on my list :)


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Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

You're welcome.

I mentioned earlier about running the 59/JB in parallel. I would probably not do this.

I would however do any/all of the following: 59/JB series, 59/JB split, 59/JB split and hum-cancelling with a single coil in the neck (either a true single or your favorite stacked single split so the top coil is active), and your favorite single by itself (stacked or true). If I were to omit an option, it would be the split 59/JB. I would probably go with an Area 58 and use a QP/DT on-on-on switch which will accomplish all three hum-cancelling options (bridge in series, split bridge + split neck, neck in series). 250k linear volume, 500k audio tone, '50s wiring.

I'm not sure that I'd take this over something like an AT-1 and an Area 61 with a treble bleed or an Air Norton and an Area 67 or 58, however.
 
If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

Thanks again. This thread got me thinking. I have guitars with a billion switching options that I don’t use.

At the end of the day I end up using bridge series 40% of the time, neck SC 30%, neck or middle with bridge SC 20% and the other 10% of the time one of the billion other options.

I’m thinking of getting an HS (duo sonic or strat) with an SSL2 for the neck, a hybrid in the bridge and a three way switch/toggle with neck, neck + bridge split, bridge series. No push pulls or mini switches, just what I actually use.

So the JB/59 would go well for this from what you shared.

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Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

No push pulls or mini switches, just what I actually use.
Amen to that, brother.

I typically only use a switch if it changes the behavior of one position and not the other two (or the other four of a 5-way). With an HS setup and a 3-way that would mean a pot with a switch that affects only the bridge pickup and only in the bridge-only position. If using a stacked single then the middle position would still need to auto-split both pickups.

I prefer stacked singles because I like to use the neck pickup with gain. With a hotter-than-vintage stacked single a treble bleed does an excellent job in knocking the pickup down to the output and EQ of a vintage single with a nice amount of chime.
 
Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

What pickups (1 single coil and 1 humbucker) would you put in there and why?

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I played a 78 Musicmaster today with an original neck pup, it was stamped 74 but I think they were the same. I really liked it, bright but wasn't an icepick. Reminded me of a Tele bridge pup. Dirtied up quite nicely as well.

So I'd put something like a CC in the bridge to get a thick fat tone, and put a vintage stocker in the neck.
 
Re: If you had a fender duo-sonic HS

A dimarzio súper distortion or tone zone

An hs-whatever Eric Johnson used

This guitar would be bad ****ing ass


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