Import Mania....

JeffB

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This weekend I hit 3 Guitar shops...all major chains, and got my hands on a TON of different guitars. And actually sat down and played the heck out of about 12 different ones. Most all of these were imports. But a few USA guitars (inexpensive ones).

BY and large the worst problem was completely dead wood. No resonance at all, like playing a cinderblock. And this was not limited to any one manufacturer or model, but a few companies seemed to turn up more turds than others. But there were also a ton that rang like crazy, as good as anything I've played.

I'll go through the lines of stuff I played now

Epiphone: I played 4 different Les Pauls, a 58 Explorer, a Schenker V. One of the Les Pauls was absolutely the best Epi I've ever played, and tonewise was just fantastic, better than the MIJ clones I've owned. Full, open, loud, and sustain for days. The other 3 were dead as a doornail. Didn't matter if it was MIK or MIC. The Explorer sounded "OK", but the wiring/electronics were all messed up/crap (brand new). The Schenker V I damn near bought. It was VERY heavy (I'd say 8 pounds plus) but I just could not believe how it played, how well it was built (MIK) and how good it sounded. I would have thought this was a Gibson USA V built by someone who cared :laugh2: Awesome plank. Big fat neck.

Ibanez: Talk about hit or miss. I played 3 diff SZ models (520s and a 720). Every single one played super nice, and was built well. All 3 were dead as a door nail. PLugged in the IBZ/Duncan pups helped a bunch for getting a decent tone (I was actually pretty impressed with the pups). I played that new neck through S series strat with tru-duo switching: Dead as doornail, built beautifully. I played 2 artcore semi hollow 335 things. Built very well, both rang out pretty nice. Decent wood, decent prices.

Hamer: prolly my biggest dissapointment of the weekend was a early 90s Hamer USA Diablo. Absolutely, utterly, completely dead as a doornail. I was taken back when I strummed a few chords and basically felt nothing. It was a steal price-wise too for a Diablo. Unfortunate. At the opposite extreme, I played a MIC Standard, and a couple studios. The Hamer Standard, I liked better than the EPI Schenker V. Built extremely well, nice neck, played phenomenal and shook my guts. It was pretty bright being alder bodied, and the Duncan Design pups were "meh", but I know with the right pups, it would be incredible guitar. The 2 MIC studios (mahogany) I played were built & played just as well, but weighed a TON. They also resonanted like mad. The DD pups were an even poorer match in these. Thin and twangy. Some new pups though, and you'd def have a pro quality playing/sounding axe. Oh and a used Hamer Echotone. Decent player, incredible resonance, good build. But the electronics were all goofed up. It very much reminded me of the ES 335 I played for a year or so.

Schecter: Like Ibanez. Hit or miss. Every single one was built as nice as I've seen on any import. Just beautiful attention to detail. They were all C-models. 4 of them never lasted more than 10 seconds playing wise: completely dead as a doornail, compressed and dark. On the other hand, the C-1 exotics, with the "faded" type Gibson finish? HOLY CRAP. Total opposite. I played two and they were identical: built very well, played awesome, and were super loud and resonant. For all the dead ones did to curb any desire for me to own a Schecter, those 2 exotics almost got me to throw down the plastic. Just wish they were 22 frets.

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Dean: Played a set neck Schenker V (MIC), a Dimebag lightning finish ML, white gold ML, and cheapo ML bolt on thing. Every single one was built very well. Nearly as nice as the Schecters. All of them played very very well. Only the Lightning finish (most expensive at 1K) was dead sounding and maybe that is due to the Floyd, but the rest were pretty good.

I handled a bunch of MIM Fender Strats: saw alot of sloppy neck pockets and nuts. Real sloppy. Worse than any of the bargain Ibanez, Jackson, ESP, or Schecter bolt-on guitars. Couple of them were real nice though. Def play a bunch if you are in the market.

Jackson: I played a new RR3. Goes without saying. MIJ. Great value. PLayed like a Jackson should, loud, and resonant. Awesome guit. PLayed the cheapest King V for quite some time(fun to play!). Made in Indonesia around $275. Nice build quality. Played super nice. OK resonance. Pickups are super thin sounding, Would be a good cheap "mod" platform. Played two old used Jackson Performers (one dinky, one kelly)..impressive all the way around.

ESP: I've been really impressed with the LTD models for the most part, when my local shop got them in a few months ago. I checked out some more at Sam Ash yesterday, and again, pretty impressed. Didn't play too many, just checked to see how well they were put together..from $300 to $1000 they were impressive. An EC1000 (?) was flat out excellent, as was a Mustaine V (DV8R). If the Mustaine had been white...the credit card would have been in trouble.

Gibson: I checked out Faded SGs at 3 different stores. Every single one was put together as good as anything else, and only the Schecter Exotics could rival them for resonance. I'm convinced there is something to thin "faded" type finishes. I've yet to play one that was dead, and most are just very loud and resonant..certainly the percentages are higher compared to a normal poly or nitro finish from my experience. Anyhoo these 3 SGs were put together right..nuts were cut well, saddles cut well, frets done well. Tough to justify going import if you don't have issue with the SG feel/sound or a big neck, when $ are a consideration.

So biggest disappointments?

Hamer USA Diablo, MIM strats,the dead Schecter regular C models, and the Ibanez S models.

Biggest accolades:

Hamer Imports in general, Schecter Exotics, Mustaine V, and the faded SGs from Gibson. That Epi V and Les Paul were stellar examples too.

Biggest bang for the buck: Hamer Imports. less than 5 bills new, and were flawless. New pups, and you would be good to go. Also the bolt on Dean ML. It was like $200. Played like it was worth 3 times that.

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I thought the Shencker V was a Dean.

There is a limited edtion black and white Epi V.

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Bro, I told you those import Hamer Studios were killer. I'm still kicking myself for not trying those out before getting my Epi.

So, what did you end up taking home? LOL
 
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Bro, I told you those import Hamer Studios were killer. I'm still kicking myself for not trying those out before getting my Epi.

Def nice, but WAYYYYYY too heavy. The 2 I played were every bit of 10 pounds.

So, what did you end up taking home? LOL

Just some more GAS :)
 
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That black/white Epi is bad! How much are they going for?

Store I went to (Daddy's Junky Music) had it for $499.00

It's 379.00 at Musicians Friend.

Some new pups (though the open coil epi pups sound pretty decent in a good piece of wood) and a different strap button location (behind the neck) is all it needs. I was really impressed with the rosewood board and fretwork on that one. Gorgeous piece of wood for the board..couldn't believe it. It was heavy though for a V.
 
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Def nice, but WAYYYYYY too heavy. The 2 I played were every bit of 10 pounds.

10 pounds? Sheesh. I don't remember the one I played being that heavy. Maybe 8, but not 10. Still, the tone was incredible. It had Duncan Designed pickups in it, I think the '59 Model versions.
 
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Some of those import Hamers look as pretty as their US made counterparts. They're definitely a great budget-minded guitar.
 
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Some of those import Hamers look as pretty as their US made counterparts. They're definitely a great budget-minded guitar.

The Standard's maple neck had some killer flame on it believe it or not! All 3 had gorgeous veneers and binding work, and put together as well as anything.

Erik. Yup. SUPER heavy. Even the Standard was heavy. Though not nearly as bad. I thought the Duncan designeds in the hamers were pretty bad...didn't sound anything like a 59 to me..more like a thinner JB and Jazz. They held the guitars back.

The Ibanez Duncans though were the opposite: sounded great, and made those dead guitars at least toneful plugged in to some extent.
 
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Erik. Yup. SUPER heavy. Even the Standard was heavy. Though not nearly as bad. I thought the Duncan designeds in the hamers were pretty bad...didn't sound anything like a 59 to me..more like a thinner JB and Jazz. They held the guitars back.

Where the ones you played archtop or flat-top? The one I played was the quilt top with the fancy abalone binding around the body and neck/headstock.

Was just looking at the Hamer site again and it says Hamer Humbucker for the Sunburst models. I wonder if those are Duncan Designed or done in-house by Hamer.
 
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Where the ones you played archtop or flat-top? The one I played was the quilt top with the fancy abalone binding around the body and neck/headstock.

PLayed that exact one, as well as a black quilt/flame top minus the fancy binding. Both archtops. SALTQs or whatever...

Was just looking at the Hamer site again and it says Hamer Humbucker for the Sunburst models. I wonder if those are Duncan Designed or done in-house by Hamer.

All 3 Hamers had the DD logos on them. I think newer models have the Hamer logo'ed pups.
 
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PLayed that exact one, as well as a black quilt/flame top minus the fancy binding. Both archtops. SALTQs or whatever....
Yup, the one with the binding is the SALQ. The one without would have been a SATF.

All 3 Hamers had the DD logos on them. I think newer models have the Hamer logo'ed pups.
Gotcha. Wouldn't matter cause I'd changed 'em out after a while anyway.
 
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I'm glad someone else recognizes the Schecter Exotics as being the best of the imported Schecters. No finish = resonant tone. The necks are great too.
If only they would have made it a 22 fret neck. The pickups are OK, but Duncans would fix that.

I've never picked up any Ibanez under $1200 that was anything other than driftwood. Garbage.

Washburns are my favorite, when it comes to affordable mid priced guitars.
Also, 90's Dearmonds are the closest thing you'll get to a Gretsch or Guild for a silly low price. I love Dearmonds.
 
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I've never picked up any Ibanez under $1200 that was anything other than driftwood. Garbage.
IMO, those Ibanez's usually offer a quality build and and an overall good playing guitar but, absolute CRAP sounding wood!!! Dead as anything!
 
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I'm glad someone else recognizes the Schecter Exotics as being the best of the imported Schecters. No finish = resonant tone. The necks are great too.
If only they would have made it a 22 fret neck. The pickups are OK, but Duncans would fix that.

I've never picked up any Ibanez under $1200 that was anything other than driftwood. Garbage.

Washburns are my favorite, when it comes to affordable mid priced guitars.
Also, 90's Dearmonds are the closest thing you'll get to a Gretsch or Guild for a silly low price. I love Dearmonds.
all the exotics I've played have had terrible tone and felt dead as crap.

Schecters all look great but they generally sound like crap.
 
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Uh huh tell the truth you were out searching for more Destroyers.:banana:

Cool report.
 
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I'm glad someone else recognizes the Schecter Exotics as being the best of the imported Schecters. No finish = resonant tone. The necks are great too.

Actually, it still depends. I've played a lot of em and they're as hit or miss as any of the other models in my experience. Most of them felt pretty sub-par compared to my elite but there were one or two that basically wiped the floor with it. I def. like that type of finish better than the poly but I wouldn't go so far as to say no finish= resonant tone. Just hasn't been my experience with my em.
 
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It's pretty hard to generalize about any guitar, but I usually walk past a bunch of guitars with my pick, and strum them while hanging on the wall. Then, I'll grab the ones that have a nice ring. The problem is the guitars I'm usually looking at aren't on the bottom row! LOL

I've owned over a 100 guitars, so when I'm in a guitar store, I'm usually only looking at ones I can't afford without some financial wrangling. That usually means $1500+. At this point, $450 guitars aren't even a consideration, unless they're something extra cool........or a bass or something.
 
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