"Improving" the electric guitar...

danglybanger

ReelItInologist
...Takeoff from the new American strat discussion...

Now most people here know I'm not huge on strats (don't hate em, would still rather not play one. In this thread I admit that while I prefer everything about a Jag or Mustang to a strat, a strat is still a completely functional and useable guitar for what it was designed to do ;)).

...But how COULD you improve a strat and have it still be a strat at all?

After all, even a 6 hole trem will stay in tune fine with a good setup. What's there to fix? Put a Floyd on it for more range? Make it headless? active pickups, even redisigning the trem for easier adjustability, shorter scale for easier playability?

Really there's nothing functionally wrong with a Strat, even one made from "dated" materials and hardware (which some say contributes to character). Of course any of those things changed would make it "not a strat" in someone's eyes...

I suppose a true "improvement" can be defined as certain mods which definitely (or barely) interfere with sound/feel, those which don't mess with the definition of the strat, ie.; Compensated/roller nuts, Graphite saddles, 2 point trem (non locking), compound radius, locking staggered tuners. Then again, strats can also have things like humbuckers or floyds and as long as a few other strat characteristics remain, the guitar is still acceptably a strat. But in the end, a well set up strat doesn't necessarily NEED anything to be functional (even if things can aid in that). Not much room to move after that. Trying different materials/woods etc. can cater to individual taste, but can't be improvements.

Can anyone else come up with some definite "improvements" that could be made to say a strat, or modern guitars in general, that are largely unadopted? The modern strat has wiring, bridge, tuner and neck heel changes among other things, what WOULD be a real improvement? (on guitars in general, or any guitar, not just the strat)

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If Fender touts anytihng with the "stratocaster" as improved, there will doubtless be people who will ridicule it, although there are others who will simply be more comforted by buying something that fender at least deems a "strat". Guitarists are conservative, and just as unlikely to try something actually new as they are to accept any real changes to the strat. So there's a big, ridiculous, conundrum.

Most guitarists would be as shocked if Fender made a significant change to the strat as they would if god remodeled the vagina, even if he made it "better". Guitarists are probably all too familiar with the old style to adapt to the new.

Really it's preposterous for even Fender itself to claim it can make "improvements" at this point because well, a strat is already defined as what it is and works fine. As much as technological innovation is wanted (or claimed to be) by many consumers, what is there to do? Often what they really want (or at least need) is a whole other non-strat guitar, but how many guitarists would go for that.

The other option not quite touched upon and perhaps most important is modding. Perhaps it would be better for Fender to basically make the best possible basic strat that could be used as a modding platform... I think Fender ought to innovate, but it seems like with dozens of strat models barely different from each other, there's too much of a focus on catering to the individual for a company based in mass production.

Odd that Fender at this point barely has control over the definition of "strat".
 
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If I was going to look at things from the perspective of a hardcore Strat fanatic (which I'm not) I'd say that the only way to improve a Strat would be to build it to '50s specs. Never mind trying to upgrade it!

The best Strat I ever played (flat out blew everything else away) was a beat up Strat that was built in the late '50s. I think it was from '57 or '58. The only changes I'm aware of is that the pickups had to be potted.
 
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For a Strat:
No RW/RP (I really believe it kills the notch position tones).
More colors.
And mainly, considering the love that the Strat bridge position never gets - bridge pickups that just try to sound good. In that matter a few designs that departure from the whole "vintage strat tone" BS won't be such a bad idea.

For Les Pauls:
I like the John Sykes wiring - with the bridge tone knob disconnected. For many of us it's pretty useless. Because the world might not be ready for 3 knob Pauls, the free knob could be used for acoustic piezo pickups, active boosts, other EQ options etc...
 
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don't make it out of wood? have it weigh 3 lbs lighter? all hardware is titanium? make it come with SD pickups in the first place? Ah, I just like strange things, I guess.

Honestly, I thought this was about any electric guitar- as far as improving the Strat, i don't know. I think you make one 50s model, and then make a fortune selling aftermarket upgrades for it. Everyone reveres the 50s model, but most people who play a Strat with 50s specs (1 ply pickguard, bent saddles, 3 way switch, 1 piece maple neck/fingerboard combo, small frets and radius) would most likely not use a stock 50s strat as their main guitar. Everybody loves to mod these things! So, go with it I say.

A side note, I did get a chance in the late 80s to play a Strat prototype built in 1953, verified by Leo himself. Wow, it was probably the most awful instrument I had ever played. Good thing he surrounded himself with good people to make good suggestions.
 
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For a Strat:
No RW/RP (I really believe it kills the notch position tones).
More colors.
And mainly, considering the love that the Strat bridge position never gets - bridge pickups that just try to sound good. In that matter a few designs that departure from the whole "vintage strat tone" BS won't be such a bad idea.

For Les Pauls:
I like the John Sykes wiring - with the bridge tone knob disconnected. For many of us it's pretty useless. Because the world might not be ready for 3 knob Pauls, the free knob could be used for acoustic piezo pickups, active boosts, other EQ options etc...

I never looked into the John Sykes wiring. I had my Hamer out yesterday, and the thing sounded so good, I was thinking of wiring my Les Paul up like my Hamer.

What I was planning on disconnecting was the neck tone control, and then the bridge tone control would be connected after the switch (it now be for both pickups) with a .015uf tone cap. That would essentially give me the same wiring as my Hamer.

The piezo thing probably doesn't interest me.
 
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don't make it out of wood? have it weigh 3 lbs lighter? all hardware is titanium? make it come with SD pickups in the first place? Ah, I just like strange things, I guess.

...exactly, those are all personal preference IMO, not everything newer is necessarily better, but the reverse is true too, not all the old stuff is quite as good as can be made today. Making something out of the newest/most expensive materials wouldn't exactly yield the best tone to most of our ears, but I wonder how a solid diamond guitar would sound after all :D

And yeah, I was making a broader statement about guitars in general, but I suppose the fact that people like variety in electric guitars (or at least, that different people like different things) means that it's easier to break it down to an example in a single type... Picked the strat as it's fairly ubiquitous, but the same could be said of any guitar.

Anyway, in terms of preference again, of all my complaints about strats, a too bright bridge pickup has never been one of them ;) Useful for funky things, or things that need to be uber clear... Though I think it ought to be coupled with a tone cap anyway.

More wiring options are ALWAYS a plus for me anyway.

Yay more colors :D
 
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The wiring mod I had done to my '68 is a worthwhile addition. It replaces the second tone pot with a switch that activates the bridge pickup, adding two more pickup configurations, neck and bridge together, which gives an interesting Telecaster style tone, and all three pickups, which is great for acoustic style open chord strumming. 7 pickup configuration options is versatile for a simple guitar. It also leaves the first tone pot as universal, so you can wind back the tone on the bridge.

I think Seymour's SSL-5 is a magnificent bridge pickup, which makes the Strat bridge into a very usable position. It toughens up the bridge/middle position, and provides a sturdy boost for driven sounds on its own. It can still quack along with the best of 'em clean.

Sure, you can try making guitars out of badger pelts, crumpled up bits of aluminum foil, or compacted belly button lint, but whether these could be deemed an "improvement" would be debatable.



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I'm with Mincer. Alternative material definately need to be explored. When airplanes first started, they were made of spruce and cloth. Now, epoxies, aluminum and carbon fiber rule the roost. The stiffness to weight ratio definately favors the composites.
 
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Leo got it right the first time.

Twice.
 
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*Tusque nut
*17 degree headstock pitch to eliminate the trees
*body mounted pickups
*push/pull volume pot for activating the bridge pickup with any other combination

Leo got it right for his idea of music+mass production...there's definitely room for improvement.
 
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1. medium jumbo frets
2. flatter fingerboard radius...12"?
3. master volume and master tone with .02 cap connected to middle terminals of volume and tone pots.
4. blender pot
5. a5 ant surfer neck and middle
6. a2 ant tex hot custom bridge or custom shop a2 hot tapped Tele ala Strat bridge pickup with baseplate
7. master tone with push/pull if tapped bridge pickup is used
 
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for my taste the artist robert cray strat pretty nails the perfect guitar.
it's a hardtail and has the simple woodcombo i like (alder body, maple+rw neck);
pickups are great, but could be cs54 set or seymour cali set instead also;
i would only change three details:
- boat or clapton neck profile
- add a bridge enable switch, perhaps also a tone bypass switch
- remove that silly third pot (keep overall tone and volume) to get more
room for strumming action :)
 
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Sorry if some of these have been mentioned.

-Volume pot further away from bridge, to let you palm mute the treble strings easier
-Master tone pot
-Oil\resin finish
-Wooden pickguard
-Angled headstock
-Neck trough construction

Much of this depends on personal preferences, i guess.
 
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1. medium jumbo frets
2. flatter fingerboard radius...12"?
3. master volume and master tone with .02 cap connected to middle terminals of volume and tone pots.
4. blender pot
5. a5 ant surfer neck and middle
6. a2 ant tex hot custom bridge or custom shop a2 hot tapped Tele ala Strat bridge pickup with baseplate
7. master tone with push/pull if tapped bridge pickup is used

Now THATS an improvement!

I would be glad to pay the extra 50 bucks they just slapped onto the price for a strat with those specs.
 
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Sorry if some of these have been mentioned.

-Volume pot further away from bridge, to let you palm mute the treble strings easier
-Master tone pot

that's the way i did mean it.

-Oil\resin finish

*thumbs up*

-Neck trough construction

this would change the strat sound to much i guess. also lacks
service flexibility. i'd not decide for perhaps the perfect strat if
it had a neckthrough construction
 
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"Improve a Strat?"

Sure: humbuckers, archeed top body, set neck, tune-o-matic, 2 volume-2 tone, 3x3 tuners, block inlays...and voila! You have a Les Paul. Perfection!
 
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To improve the guitar, you've got to disassociate yourself from allegiances to concepts like "This is a Strat" or "This is a Les Paul" because those guitars are defined by their traditional specifications.

You have to look at the guitar as a blank slate, acknowledge what has worked over time, and be honest about what could use improvement. You also need to remove yourself from the classic tones of the Strat, LP, etc. - those tones weren't classic before they were more or less arbitrarily created by people using the equipment of the time.

The thing is to have the most effective tool for the intended application. If your intent is to get tones like the classic recordings and performances of people using Strats, use a Strat. It's not a formula that needs improving in that case, because even it's inherent "flaws" will contribute to creating the desired result. It's the right tool for the job.

If your goal is to create something else, look at what you need and design your instrument around those needs.
 
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The beautiful thing about the stratocaster is that no other guitar lends it self so well to modification, especially when a stratocaster is routed for HSH.

When it comes to fret size, fingerboard radius, control layout, neck shape, etc, too much is dependent upon personal taste. If you wish to really improve the strat then improve upon the foundation in which so many guitar players begin their modification.
 
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I can think of improvements to a strat:

-All-access neck joint similar to Ibanez
-Angled headstock -no string trees
-All new strats need 22 frets, no more, no less. Even (especially) MIM, 'cause I'm cheap, and going to mod it anyway.

Fender needs to offer more Floyd rose and hardtail models, and models with different fb radius, and fret sizes.
 
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I vote for the badger pelts! Kinda like ZZ top's fuzzy guitars. ;)
 
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