Installing a roller nut

[IanBallard]

Re: Installing a roller nut

Good info David. There are a probably a lot of variables that are missed when designing something like that.

Honestly I'm currently satisfied with the intonation on my guitar and have less issues with the locking nut, than with a regular. Perhaps, by accident I removed just enough of the end of the board to improve it. I dunno.

Regarding conventional nuts such as bone, for heavy tremolo users, it simply is too sketchy even with lubrication and well-cut slots.

 

[Dirtbagg]

Re: Installing a roller nut

"whilst the chisel is in hand"

I sense an expensive lesson soon to happen.

I learned this lesson a long time ago with a Kramer ST100 and tryied to put a locking nut on it. :smack:
I ended up buying a new neck, at a LA Guitar Show, which was better then the original.

BTW how did it turn out Ehdwuld?

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

Hello friends, I hope you are well.

I tell. A strat guitar with radius 9.5 with roller nut, bridge 2 point bytrastes medium jumbo, several changes were made to: Radius 16 ", Jumbo frets, which to my taste'm much more comfortable and did not lose the original tone. But my concerns are:

. - With jumbo frets would have to readjust the roller nut so that the rope does not stay high? and not the feeling of high-roller and rope nut uncomfortable?

. - I'd have to reset the roller nut 9.5 has to be modified to fall and this in the radius 16 "? Can fit a roller nut to a larger radius?

. - Also tiendria to modify and put the saddles on radio 16 tremolo? and as I do?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Installing a roller nut

Firstly, I love the idea of ropes rather than strings. Real manly stuff!

Secondly, yes, if you have altered the fingerboard radius, you need to make the same change to the roller nut. If you cannot find a roller nut of the correct radius, it may be necessary to revert to a conventional nut. This may involve inserting a small portion of wood at the low end of the fingerboard.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Installing a roller nut

if you need a flatter radius on the roller nut
set it on a solid surface and tap in the center
not so gently with a hammer

seriously but slightly more than gentle

do not smash it

the difference between a 9.5 and a 16 radius are not much
and you probably would not notice unless you are playing the ropes at the first fret

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Installing a roller nut

I learned this lesson a long time ago with a Kramer ST100 and tryied to put a locking nut on it. :smack:
I ended up buying a new neck, at a LA Guitar Show, which was better then the original.

BTW how did it turn out Ehdwuld?

turned out fine
when I first put it one it was a bit cocked
but I have since had to shave it a bit lower with a rasp
when I did I squared it to the bridge
and angled it down in a "check mark"
to leave a bit of the rosewood exposed behind the nut

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

What steps do you recommend to the fender Roller Nut and saddles bridge in radius 16"? can you tell me step by step I have to do?

Thanks you so much

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Installing a roller nut

there are no steps

I was joking about hitting it with a hammer

the truth is the next line that says there is very little difference after the first fret

and you would not notice the strings being slightly higher on the center two strings

just mount it

you will have to carve a shelf like for a locking nut
large enough to accomadate the new nut

take measurements between first fret and the current nut
at the high E and the Low E be exact

the roller nut will have the strings break over a bit farther back
than the current nut
the current nut probably has a cliff like structure where the
string vibrates right at the bridge side
the roller nut's break angle will be on the very top of the rollers

make sure you get the break in exactly the same spot or it will throw off the intonation

be sure to get the depth low enough for good action
the roller nut may be taller than the current nut
you cant shave the bottom of a roller nut like a bone nut
so you will have to cut deeper in the neck

be patient
it may take several tries to get it right
and you can always take more off
but it is very difficult to put it back on

like Dirtbagg said
if you mess up
its time for a new neck

measure a lot

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

Ehdwuld

Wow wowExcellent bro. Thanks you so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........................................

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

And Saddles automatic take the spokes 16 "?, Or you need to do?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Installing a roller nut

And Saddles automatic take the spokes 16 "?, Or you need to do?

could you rephrase that

I have no ides what you mean

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

Sorry for my bad english. I use trtanslador google.

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

The fender bridge with the radius 9.5 "Original. But with radius 16" I have to adjust the saddles? more open position to have radius 16 in the bridge?

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Installing a roller nut

You don't need a roller nut; nobody does. They're one of the most useless guitar parts ever invented. I would not carve up your guitar to install that thing. All you need is a properly installed and cut replacement nut. Use Graphtech Tusq XL if you must satisfy the itch for a "low-friction" nut. But roller nuts are an example of overengineering that require permanent modification to the guitar...all for the sake of no measurable increase in performance over a properly installed "normal" nut...plus the chance of possible problems down the road. (More **** to maintain, and to possibly break.) Plus you are locked into a certain radius and string spacing at the nut. On top of that, I would especially be leery of the stuff from a low end brand like Mighty Mite.

In short, return that ****, and have an "actual" guitar repair person install a new nut.

 

[constant mesh]

Re: Installing a roller nut

Completely agreed with ItsaBass, but I would recommend a bone nut.

In my experience Fender roller nuts, especially those that are being used daily, can develop weird problems. You shouldn't lube it or else the balls will stick. But then they aren't corrosion protected. They start to oxidize which increases friction.
Recently I had a Strat Plus Ultra that has a LSR nut that was getting all sort of chocking and buzzes on the 14th fret on the high E. Turned out the balls were the culprit, whenever I rotated the balls slightly it was gone for a couple of minutes, but came back.

And strangely, Fender's LSR always needs shimming on the treble, because originally all of the slots are cut almost to the same depth and without shims, you get zero nut action on the treble strings. Imagine how big of a gap this creates between the nut and the nut slot.

If you're having tuning stability issues, check your slots, lube them, make sure the strings fall in a stragiht line from nut to tuning machines. Many Tele or Strat kits suffer from this. Make sure your tremolo work with ease too

 

[JasonPastrana]

Re: Installing a roller nut

The bridge saddles are left intact as they come.




This forum is very good. And you all are the best, Thank you for your time and good will. Congratulations and thank you very much for the help.