Interesting development for my band.

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Our bass player got offered a job he can't refuse, so he won't be able to commit enough time to Fragmenta to warrant him staying (which is nice of him to have said so and not waste time). So what is going to happen, is the other guitar player is switching to bass (he's been getting into playing bass lately and is more inspired to do so than guitar).

This means we'll be a three piece and the sole guitar and vocal duties will fall on me. This will be interesting and exciting as I've never done it before. I've played minus another guitar player due to a broken string and it sounded pretty cool.

The pros:

I will be able to live the dream and play through two guitar amps at once. (sometimes maybe)

I will have sole creative control over the guitar sounds and parts and won't have to compromise with another player especially during recording.

Less members means more pay and will make transport a whole lot easier.

More room on stage.

My soloing will stand out no matter what.

I have even more of an important role.

It will be easier for the soundperson to get a good sound with less instruments and I can have one big, tight guitar sound instead of having two guitar sounds fighting for room.

The songwriting will become more focused without having to think too much about guitar parts. (the songs we've started writing for the next release have been really awesome)

Cons:

No more guitar harmonies. (FIXED: WH-4 to the rescue!)

The guitar parts will have to be written singularly or it will be too hard to replicate live. (which isn't such a big deal)

No supporting rhythm guitar during solos (which also isn't such a big deal, Pantera sounded cool sometimes with the leads over a bassline)

Quite a few of our old songs are written for two guitars and I will either have to work out a way to combine parts here and there so it sounds good or scrap them live altogether. (also... not such a big deal thanks to new material!)



Anyone else the sole guitar player for their band? What is it like, what experiences have you had and is there anything you care to share or advise?
 
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yeh. in my jazz band there is just me. drums and a trumpet. Im in an originals rock band too, and most gigs are three piece - just gtr vocals and drums, we use bass if we can afford a session player for the gig (depending on the venue) and use session players if we are in the studio. Its cool having all the space, but you have to work out cool parts to fill it all up.
 
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You just have to realize that you're the only thing up there that's melodic. Having a good bass player is a must. When you're the only guitar you aren't play lead or rhythm you're playing a hybrid of the two. It won't take long to get used to, but once you do every part you write will have that thinking to it. It's difficult for me to write two separate guitar parts now lol.


Good Luck!
 
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But that works well because it means I can do whatever crazy improv fills I feel like and there won't be another guitar player to drown it out or get confused by and get distracted. Some of my favourite bands have one sole guitar player and I've noticed how clear they sound live as a result.

Metallica for instance never have a very clear live guitar sound because Kirk just isn't tight with James, so there's too much spread. This also makes the bass guitar less able to punch through.
 
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Anything else? I was hanging out for some in depth advice from you gilatom :). You said it was a whole different beast?
 
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My previous band was a 2 guitar metal band; in my current one, I am the only guitar player for the past 2 years. I MUCH prefer having one guitar! It's much easier to create a unique tone without having to compromise around another guitarist, and it creates a precious musical commodity ... SPACE! Your music can have way more dynamics with just a rock trio of guitar/bass/drums and more nuances from everyone will come through better.

On the down side, you WILL lose some perceived power and the bass player will have to adjust his playing more than anyone else.

As a side note, if it doesn't work, you an always bring in another guitar player, they are a dime a dozen. Good bass players? Not so much!
 
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My previous band was a 2 guitar metal band; in my current one, I am the only guitar player for the past 2 years. I MUCH prefer having one guitar! It's much easier to create a unique tone without having to compromise around another guitarist, and it creates a precious musical commodity ... SPACE! Your music can have way more dynamics with just a rock trio of guitar/bass/drums and more nuances from everyone will come through better.

On the down side, you WILL lose some perceived power and the bass player will have to adjust his playing more than anyone else.

As a side note, if it doesn't work, you an always bring in another guitar player, they are a dime a dozen. Good bass players? Not so much!
I can make up for that loss of power by using two amps and having a short delay on one of them wit my echoplex, the 12Ax7 also gives a sweet push in the fx loop. I happen to prefer an upfront bass tone and I wouldn't have any member who can't play their instrument properly.
 
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its not about two amps or having a delay pedal. Its about arranging your parts to work with the band.
 
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I thought you were talking about the sound of two guitar players playing the same part and I was talking about how one guitar player doesn't have to sacrifice "bigness" of tone. Writing guitar parts to work with the band isn't a challenge. I'll go up there and I'll smoke the bands with with two guitar players using one guitar. I swear! :)
 
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Your tone will be plenty big with one amp.

You'll understand how it's a different animal whenever you get up on stage and realize you have to fill it up all by yourself. It's not really easy to explain, but you'll see what I mean :)
 
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Your tone will be plenty big with one amp.

You'll understand how it's a different animal whenever you get up on stage and realize you have to fill it up all by yourself. It's not really easy to explain, but you'll see what I mean :)
So I don't necessarily change anything as much as just own it and be more expressive?
 
Yup. That sums it up. I didn't mean to make it sound more complicated I just meant that it was different and you'd have to change your style up.
 
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I forgot to update how it all went! It actually went really well. It sounded really awesome. Came out really clear. Bassist chose a nice fat tone that backed up the solos well.

I'm making a short film about the band, there will be some exerpts of the national shows.
 
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Anyone else the sole guitar player for their band? What is it like, what experiences have you had and is there anything you care to share or advise?

For me, the biggest growing experience I had was when I went to 3-piece.

This was a classic rock/some country/some blues band, where I also did half of the lead vocals.

The freedom was unreal, and the other two bandmates really enjoyed it, too.

Buying a powered sub for the kick drum and bass guitar was a big help, too, as that extra deep low end made everything fuller, as well as got everyone in the pocket. I feel that it helped us even more, being only 3 people.
 
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For me, the biggest growing experience I had was when I went to 3-piece.

This was a classic rock/some country/some blues band, where I also did half of the lead vocals.

The freedom was unreal, and the other two bandmates really enjoyed it, too.

Buying a powered sub for the kick drum and bass guitar was a big help, too, as that extra deep low end made everything fuller, as well as got everyone in the pocket. I feel that it helped us even more, being only 3 people.
That's a good idea, do you mean those inverted speaker-turned-microphones or adding a subwoofer to the PA for extra oomph on the kick drum? Or both?
 
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That's a good idea, do you mean those inverted speaker-turned-microphones or adding a subwoofer to the PA for extra oomph on the kick drum? Or both?

I got one of these:

http://www.audiolines.com/Yorkville-LS800_p_789.html

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It made all the difference in the world, and gave us the ability to sound "loud" even when we weren't.

Plus, when I'm not playing, I hook that and the PA up to my TV in the living room and watch Saving Private Ryan :eyecrazy:
 
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I'm using your idea! You haven't put a patent on that have you? :P
 
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