Introducing Thrash Factor!

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Dave is less than ten years older than I and look as though his next gig is Death's waiting room. :p

The current JB can be hit or miss, the Antiquity JB has been great in everything (I sort of know what will work with a JB), and I have a few JBJ era to compare.

I did not find that the RTM compared to any of them. I never seem to like A2 based pickups, but I love the Antiquity humbucker. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Ayrton said:
Dave is less than ten years older than I and look as though his next gig is Death's waiting room. :p

The current JB can be hit or miss, the Antiquity JB has been great in everything (I sort of know what will work with a JB), and I have a few JBJ era to compare.

I did not find that the RTM compared to any of them. I never seem to like A2 based pickups, but I love the Antiquity humbucker. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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since you have tried so many JBish pickups
in what type of guitars would you choose each type of JB(CP,ant,JBJ,RTM)
and for what sounds?

thanks in advanced
 
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Blackie13 said:
since you have tried so many JBish pickups
in what type of guitars would you choose each type of JB(CP,ant,JBJ,RTM)
and for what sounds?

thanks in advanced
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It is not like that. There are subtle differences between the production models, the Ants have a rough cast magnet, and that seems to make the most difference. I have an Alder mutt and my Maple Charvel that I will do some testing with.

In my experience, the JB works best in a brighter guitar, but that may not be the sound you want. I have a friend who likes JBs in his Les Paul, and just the thought of that makes my skin crawl. :D
 
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Without reading through 5 pages, has anyone taken into consideration that the Rust in Peace Jackson was a maple neck thru, poplar or alder winged guitar, whereas his current Deans are mahogany with maybe a maple top? Seems like he’s trying for his new Deans to sound like his old Jackson, and to make up for the difference in body woods
 
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My second Duncan pickup was a JBJ, specifically a trembucker that read something like 17.6k. I stuck the ceramic magnet from a Detonator in it, and came up with my stupid name on here, though it eventually went back to original. As far as where I stand on the JBJ mythos, I don't know if it was because it was MJ wound, because it was a TB4, because it was wound slightly hot, the lack of a logo... whatever, that pickup was the **** and I wish I still had it.

In regard to the Mustaine pickup, the tone in the video is awful.
 
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They should have saved that name for a new distortion pedal.

Rattlehead should have been the pickup's name.
 
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JB_From_Hell said:
My second Duncan pickup was a JBJ, specifically a trembucker that read something like 17.6k. I stuck the ceramic magnet from a Detonator in it, and came up with my stupid name on here, though it eventually went back to original. As far as where I stand on the JBJ mythos, I don't know if it was because it was MJ wound, because it was a TB4, because it was wound slightly hot, the lack of a logo... whatever, that pickup was the **** and I wish I still had it.

In regard to the Mustaine pickup, the tone in the video is awful.
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I am pretty sure the guitar Mustaine is playing in the promo clip still has his Live Wire pickups in it. The tone is quite awful.

He claims that his JB was different than the "off the shelf" version but i can guarantee you, if you find a JBJ from the 80s, you WILL get the tone of Rust in Peace. I even have a JB-M that is in a Les Paul that cops the tone almost perfect!

I think that maybe the key to the tone of these old JB's could be the Maple wood spacer or the Rough-Cast A5 mag.
 
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I want to know how they "altered the winding process".

Is it as drastic as going scatterwound (highly doubtful as they'd probably advertise it if it were) or, more likely, just a small change in the tension and/or turns-per-layer?

:dunno:

I find it funny that his original JB pickup was magically "out of spec". How convenient (from a marketing standpoint), ha ha!

I guess the best way to think about the Thrash Factor is to think of it as a way to buy a "new" JBJ in 2018 :)
 
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masta' c said:
I want to know how they "altered the winding process".

Is it as drastic as going scatterwound (highly doubtful as they'd probably advertise it if it were) or, more likely, just a small change in the tension and/or turns-per-layer?

:dunno:

I find it funny that his original JB pickup was magically "out of spec". How convenient (from a marketing standpoint), ha ha!

I guess the best way to think about the Thrash Factor is to think of it as a way to buy a "new" JBJ in 2018 :)
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Scatterwinding doesn't make much of a difference on a pickup as hot as a JB. Usually for 43 gauge wire, after 10k scatterwinding makes little difference.
 
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I understand that there is typically some "scatter" that occurs naturally as part of laying such a thin wire on the bobbins, but what is your basis that a humbucker over 10K isn't affected by intentional (i.e. greater-than-normal) scatter-winding?

Regardless, I'm assuming they just changed the tension/TPL a bit, which is cool, but not sure if that alone is enough to warrant the price hike.

And what's the deal with the matching neck model?

EDIT: Nevermind, the neck is just a standard '59 with a matte finish
 
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masta' c said:
I understand that there is typically some "scatter" that occurs naturally as part of laying such a thin wire on the bobbins, but what is your basis that a humbucker over 10K isn't affected by intentional (i.e. greater-than-normal) scatter-winding
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It is affected by scatterwinding, it's just that in my experience it makes less of a difference the more wire you put on the bobbin, at around 10k it makes a minor difference, so long as the scattering has a similar coil shape to a non scatterwound version of the pickup.
 
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Sounds cool, but what exactly is the difference? A JB is a JB right? How can you reproduce a JB that sounds just a little off from a JB? There are variances in every production pickup anyway. Just wondering, not criticizing anything or questioning the quality of this pickup.
 
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SavageRiffer said:
Sounds cool, but what exactly is the difference? A JB is a JB right? How can you reproduce a JB that sounds just a little off from a JB? There are variances in every production pickup anyway. Just wondering, not criticizing anything or questioning the quality of this pickup.
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You're treading in murky waters. In recent weeks, many other brave souls have asked this question only to receive 6 paragraph responses that could just have easily been said in 6 sentences.

As was stated earlier, it might just be a marketing scheme. A JB that just so happened to be wound to a magical higher quality. But then again, look how far out of spec this pickup is. It's not unlikely that the pickup Mustaine bought is different enough from the standard affair to warrant a new pickup.
 
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